Mouth Rot

[Lizardlover]

So some people may remember my thread about my panther having a small discoloration and some swelling in his lip. I had been treating it with betadine solution, neosporin, nothing seemed to work. Just recently it has gotten much worse and from what I've read and seen it looks like mouth rot. Anyone know how he could have gotten this and how I can get rid of it? I know a vet visit may be needed. Ive also been treating it with Reptaid because it says it helps mouth rot but I'm not sure how well it would work. His lips seem very maliable (idk if i spelled that right) and he opens up his mouth very easily. He stopped eating on his own about 4 days or so ago so Ive been putting pre-killed insects in his mouth for him to eat. I got some pics but it may be hard to see.

Also I do see small areas that have a scab but I do not see any cottage cheesy puss that I've read is common with mouth rot. His teeth also arent brown like I've read they normally are when a cham has mouth rot. Hopefully these pics will help with a diagnosis.

sorry the pics arent too good.

 

[Julirs]

If it has not gotten any better, a vet visit is probably in order. They will often remove the rotted part if it is that small and treat with antibiotics.

 

[Lizardlover]

If it has not gotten any better, a vet visit is probably in order. They will often remove the rotted part if it is that small and treat with antibiotics.

Does anyone have that list that has good vets locally?

 

[beeze]

http://www.herpvetconnection.com/florida.shtml

 

[Lizardlover]

http://www.herpvetconnection.com/florida.shtml

Thanks, I know Dr.Skaggs so I will be making an appt. ASAP

 

[beeze]

Thanks, I know Dr.Skaggs so I will be making an appt. ASAP

When you call to make your appt make sure they are familiar with chameleons......you don't wont to waste your time and your money on a vet that knows nothing about chams.

 

[Lizardlover]

When you call to make your appt make sure they are familiar with chameleons......you don't wont to waste your time and your money on a vet that knows nothing about chams.

Dr.Skaggs is, she's taken care of my chams before, I just didnt know if there was a vet closer and I didnt remember the name of that vets office.

 

[kinyonga]

IMHO...its important to clean out the area WELL, take a sample of the "pus" and do a culture and sensitivity test and put the chameleon on an appropriated medication to kill the bacteria involved.

Most often, the bacteria will include Pseudomonas aeruginosa...but may include more than on bacteria. Pseudomonas is difficult to get rid of and the treatment may have to be repeated.

 

[Lizardlover]

IMHO...its important to clean out the area WELL, take a sample of the "pus" and do a culture and sensitivity test and put the chameleon on an appropriated medication to kill the bacteria involved.

Most often, the bacteria will include Pseudomonas aeruginosa...but may include more than on bacteria. Pseudomonas is difficult to get rid of and the treatment may have to be repeated.

The good thing is I caught it at an early stage so there is no puss. I be scheduling and appt tomorrow though.

 

[Zen Reptiles]

How does this bacteria occur in a captive bred and raised chameleon?


I just recently lost a baby Gonocephalus grandis recently to mouth rot, she was just too small to do anything for, and no idea how she got it.

 

[kinyonga]

For instance...pseudomonas can be found in the soil and water and it can occur on the surfaces of plants and occasionally on the surfaces of animals. Its one of the few groups of bacteria that are true pathogens of plants. Its an opportunistic bacteria... it uses a break in the host defenses to initiate an infection. It grows in a wide range of temperatures too.

You might like to read this...
http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache...udomonas+AND+sources&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

 

[ciafardo 4]

Stress can play a big part in the bacteria going to work on the animal.Stress can break down an animals immune system natural sunlight combined with the proper antibiotic can speed up recovery. I just went through a wicked case of stomatitus with two male rudis (sternfeldi) incase benny reads this haha.Both males were kept together by a friend of mine little brother. I believe the constant stress of each other combined with unsanitary conditions was the cause. One was sick for about two weeks the other a week before he asked me about it by this time the first one was really bad it had eaten through its jaw bone, this one died but the other is really looking good i've been cleaning the area daily with provine iodine and using baytril. So far so good.Good luck at the vet hope your guy makes a speedy recovery.

 

[kinyonga]

In my experience unless its a very mild case of mouth rot, if its not cleaned out and flushed properly, a culture and sensitivity test done and the chameleon put on an appropriate antibiotic, it will just come back or will have spread internally and the infection will turn up somewhere else.

 

[Lizardlover]

Stress can play a big part in the bacteria going to work on the animal.Stress can break down an animals immune system natural sunlight combined with the proper antibiotic can speed up recovery. I just went through a wicked case of stomatitus with two male rudis (sternfeldi) incase benny reads this haha.Both males were kept together by a friend of mine little brother. I believe the constant stress of each other combined with unsanitary conditions was the cause. One was sick for about two weeks the other a week before he asked me about it by this time the first one was really bad it had eaten through its jaw bone, this one died but the other is really looking good i've been cleaning the area daily with provine iodine and using baytril. So far so good.Good luck at the vet hope your guy makes a speedy recovery.

are you sure that thats not povidone iodine you put on it?

 

[CleaTheChameleon]

I found a nice vet in broward county that work with chameleons...

Broward Avian and Exotic Animal Hospital

954-968-7171

 

[Lizardlover]

I found a nice vet in broward county that work with chameleons...

Broward Avian and Exotic Animal Hospital

954-968-7171

Yes that is Dr.Skaggs thank you though.

 

[ciafardo 4]

are you sure that thats not povidone iodine you put on it?

yes it is me spells terrible me readins not so good edder

 

[Lizardlover]

Well I have some progress, the lump seems to be deteriorating (sp) and the swelling has gone down a bit.

 

[elupard]

my brother-in-law has a panther chameleon that i am currently taking care of becuase he is in the middle of moving and it was not recieving proper care. it has the exact same type of swelling on its lips but also has some major eye problems too. currently he keeps both eyes closed and his right eye has a layer of gunk that i have tryed to rense and remove twice but i just can't get it all. is this all from the mouth rot or am i dealing with to different problems?

 

[Lizardlover]

Apparantly it's not mouth rot my Cham has, he's getting checked out tommorow so I'll let you know what it is, you can get Terramycin from lllreptile, it may help the eyes I've never dealt with eye problems though.