The Use of Wild-Caught Insects

There is potential risk to using wild caught insects. Parasites, pesticides, and one that is often overlooked:the bug may have eaten something good for it but BAD for chamelones (like tomatoe leaves). And I suppose there is also the risk of you accidentally offering a bug that is in and of itself toxic.

Yet although I breed plenty of insects, have several stores locally and online from which to buy, I do still use wild caught insects. Not from a suburb or city area (which I consider poor collection areas, high risk), but rather an organic farm in the country and a park/wilderness area.

Im still knowingly running the risk of bringing home parasites to my chameleons. But frankly store-bought insects can have parasites with them too. I believe that chameleons normally likely have some small level of parasites with them all the time. If the chameleon is otherwise healthy, and the particular parasite(s) not too awful, well then likely no harm done.

I do have fecal tests done with some regularity and have enough money saved to ensure any treatment costs are easily covered, if required. I also monitor weights and pay attention to "attitude" and "activity".

Also there is some risk a wild caught bug ate something that will stay in its system long enough to cause harm to my chameleons. I try to mitigate this by keeping and feeding the wc bugs for at least a day to clear anything in their guts. This does not entirely remove the risk.

So far I've not had anything too serious result.

For me, the perceived benefits of occassional use of certain wild-caught bugs (different nutrients, chameleon interest/excitement) makes the risks worth it. But I mostly rely on / use bugs I breed myself, plus store bought crickets. There are lots of bugs you can breed easily, with little effort or cost.

This topic comes up quite a bit, hence my noting my opinion here. It is only an opinion. What is best for you may differ greatly!

Links to info related:
http://web.archive.org/web/20060503233712/www.chameleonjournals.com/husbandry/
http://www.chameleonforums.com/blogs/sandrachameleon/75-feeder-nutrition-gutloading.html
http://www.chameleonforums.com/blogs/sandrachameleon/168-parasites.html
http://www.chameleonforums.com/can-i-feed-these-my-veileds-42832/
http://www.chameleonforums.com/wild-caught-insects-parasites-36626/
http://www.chameleonforums.com/what-wild-caught-food-toxic-42666/
http://www.foodinsectsnewsletter.org/pdfs/Worldwidespecieslist15sept2011.pdf

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some bugs to avoid/potentially dangerous/toxic:

assassins bugs
centipedes
monarch butterflies (most butterflies actually)
fireflies
ladybugs
lubber grasshoppers (other grasshoppers/locust are usually fine)
boxelder beetles
hornworms that have been eating nightshade plants such as tomatoe leaves (captive ones fed appropriately are fine)
hairy caterpillars
milkweed bugs
bees (they are a threatened and necessary species, please don't kill them unnecessarily!)
wasps (Unless stingers removed).
spiders (potentially bad, but some people still use them)
wild caught terrestrial isopods/ rollie polly / wood bug (captive bred ones are great though)
wild caught flies (bacteria risk - use cultured ones)
anything with spikes that could damage the tongue (like large mantids, some beetles)
most brightly coloured bugs
slugs
water snails (captive cultured land snails are great though)
any bug that may have been eating a plant that is toxic to chams
 
Some of the wild caught bugs Sandra offers her chameleons:
Grasshoppers
Harvestmen (Opiliones) aka LongLegs
Termites
Leaf Rollers
moths
 
sandrachameleon;bt1846 said:
Some of the wild caught bugs Sandra offers her chameleons:
Grasshoppers
Harvestmen (Opiliones) aka LongLegs
Termites
Leaf Rollers
moths


some other potential wild caught prey to consider offering your chameleon:


  • European Cockchafers (both the grub/larva and the adult beetle)
  • American palm weevil, Indian red date palm weevil, African palm weevil
  • mulberry longhorn stem beetle
  • coconut rhinoceros beetle
  • Giant Mesquite Bugs, Thasus acutangulus
  • Katydid
  • Cicadas
  • dragonflies
 
from geckotime.com
"...most commercially raised insects contain almost no carotenoids while most wild caught insects contain a number of different carotenoids including β-carotene, lutein and zeaxanthin. Some species of vertebrates can convert some of these carotenoids to vitamin A and so in the wild they may serve as a source of vitamin A for insectivores although nothing is currently known regarding the ability of insectivorous lizards to convert carotenoids to vitamin A."

Accessed 24 April 2014 from
http://www.geckotime.com/nutritional-value-of-commercially-raised-insects/
 
i think it is a double edged sword. nutritionally it has to be a benefit to eat a wider verity of foods, but there is the risk of harming your chameleon. but then again you can run the same risk with store bought stuff. it's still the source of the insect either bought or found that matters. i often wondered if the sun plays a role in insect nutritional value.
 
some bugs to avoid/potentially dangerous/toxic:

assassins bugs
centipedes
monarch butterflies (most butterflies actually)
fireflies
ladybugs
lubber grasshoppers (other grasshoppers/locust are usually fine)
boxelder beetles
hornworms that have been eating nightshade plants such as tomatoe leaves (captive ones fed appropriately are fine)
hairy caterpillars
milkweed bugs
bees (they are a threatened and necessary species, please don't kill them unnecessarily!)
wasps (Unless stingers removed).
spiders (potentially bad, but some people still use them)
wild caught terrestrial isopods/ rollie polly / wood bug (captive bred ones are great though)
wild caught flies (bacteria risk - use cultured ones)
anything with spikes that could damage the tongue (like large mantids, some beetles)
most brightly coloured bugs
slugs
water snails (captive cultured land snails are great though)
any bug that may have been eating a plant that is toxic to chams

while some of this advice is correct, some is funny...
who removes stings of wasps for chameleons in the wild? Yemen chameleons love them, in Yemen, over 80% of the stomach contents is bees and wasps, surprizingly all with their stingers :)))))))
spiders are OK too

bacteria risk of flies? nonsense

water snails? Absolutely harmless for chameleons, even if transferring so me parasites that might affect mammals, they are absolutely safe for chamleons

be cautious, but do not be hysteric
 

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