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Oh yes, sure, neither do I argue with you. Ee simply rry tomunderstand each other and see the ligjt Look Ses trial and dsilure and learning IS rhe point My issue is We have no way hlw tomtesg our hypotheses We can not Measure And tomsay simply: we can mot see any hsrm superficially, somit...

Now THIS was a good debate! Rhank you all fir greatnoerticipation in it! I hope noone gor a feeling K am ruděi am just lassionate and say rhinhs black And white Wirh deepmrespectntk all And deepmrespect tomdact, ethics and thenknterestnofmour beloved chameleons

NO!!! This was not what we talked anout. We talked a lit No not gutload this tk the bugs Do kormfeedmit ti the nugs prior tomfeedinv the xhameleon to Leave itnundifestwd for the chamelein to dihest Is this clear? Itmis a nig dofference

I Explicirelly say DO NOT FEED CHAMELEONS WITH THAT STUFF YOU CALL GUTLOAD!!! Do normstiff with it yor feeders just before you feed it to the chamelekn because žyoj want the chameleon to eat it from the gut of the feeders. Imšay feed the feeders lriperly, ad per What they need to nuild HQ...

It would be enougj to Chamge the title For now HQ FEEDING OF FEEDERS and nit gutloading

Thw fogginh comcept is Proben by me For 25+ Years Come On, yiu complicate it EVERYTHING has to be done lroperly And EVERYTHING yocan Dose Too Little and too much It is On ious that eg in VITAMIN D3 Too FEW: Harmful, deadly Appropriate: Beneficial Too MUCH: Harmful, deadly So...

YES! I Am Comvinced THIS is the meaningful conclusion from This Debate If THIS would be our consensus and agreement a kut the insteucting the newbies I Would Be HAPPY

OMG I repeat This abain amd Again Please olease Olease Can You read Whag I write with attention This exactly I try to explain again and Again BUG FOOD It’s something that we feed to the box so that its body becomes more nutritious GUTLOADING IS DIFFERENT, It is to leave something and...

Please yoj again mix up Feeding feeders with gutloading Can you olease Separate these two Processes in your Mind? Then, it will start making sense I Assure yiu No Offense Please Ut if we Permanently mix uo these teo Processeses, we never ever can come To A Good Conclusion

Well itnis about ethics Ther is an overruling rule for me applicable In law and in ethics: IN DUBIO, ABSTINE (if in doubt, Abstain) It’s practically means in our context, that unless it is unequivocally proven to be safe, you need to treat it as unsafe and not to use it not to experiment...

And THIS IS RESPONSIBLE while feedjng those things or Even dare to recommend Or Even dare to Make business with such mixtures Is unethical And irresponsible We are On the same Page, Kinyonga, it is My privilege

Pollen and as an amternative to dusting exactly The right vitamin and Mineral Mixtures as Recommended in good (GOOD) care sheets

I am very deeply convinced that THIS IS THE CRUCIAL QUESTION And that the responsible Answer Is NO, NOT witb the stuff which is recommended If gutloaded at all, Then with NATURAL GUTLOAD ONLY - Which is Mainly pollen Amd grass And in Exceptional Cases We xan gutload with vitamins And minerals...

This. With all respect is a very sulerficial view and chameleons esting strasnerries is evil, Asmit is nothing. Atural in any asoect. Thise that do so do jerm and even do not care dokng so. Wendy’s specialist that you adore so much show you these practices please ask them how long do their...

P´ease Read my answer to Kinyonga, I Am very detailed in answering this question including examples

Well, Yiu Come Back late and say in otjer wirds Exactly what I say when pointing out the heavy misunderstood Distinction between FEEDING THE FEEDER (for the purpose its body to become highly nutritional food) And GITLOADING (for the pirpose to ise tje feeders. Ody as A transport ebiće fir...

IMHO You comfuse here as many people the lrocess Of FEEDING THE FEEDER AND GUTLOADING Which are two completely different approaches differing mainly with what remains in the gut in the moment of feeding the feeder to the chameleon

Not fully truth The. Utritjonal value of well Fed insects is onjectively higjer than if fed poor food The aize Aspect is there. Ut. It As. Lack And white bkw you tey to present it. If you were right, dietology would not Exist as a Science. Your logig Fots Only to the xase, when the. Ugs...

In this aspect, we are completely on the same boat. If we need to feed the insects with these substances let us let them enough time to digest it and turn it metabolically into integral parts of their bodies but not recommend and advertise it as a gut load which is a natural as you and me...

It is acknowledgeable Rhat yoj have always Done it And yes, it seems to be enough. But as some of the feeders no Not bold it on the surface if the bodies well, gutloading is an equal and valid option to administer it too