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Petr no one is mistreating you. You struck out to have a debate and a discussion about this on a public forum. So I came to this discussion armed with evidence to support my argument, as everyone should do in a debate like this. I never insulted or belittled you or called you out on your...

This is exactly my point.

And no, I will not be apologizing for simply disagreeing with you and providing evidence that supports my argument.

That’s quite simply just your interpretation based on the literal meaning of the two words. But the explanation that immediately follows disproves that. So you’re arguing over a misinterpretation really.

Please show me exactly where it says that it is the undigested food in the intestines that is beneficial. In fact I believe it says it is the process of feeding insects...which would imply digestion occurs. Sounds a lot like what you want it to say.

At the time the resource was created it was very popular based on a prominent forum member’s gutloading research and recommendations based on some of the vitamins and trace minerals provided by those ingredients. Since then I’ve excluded it from my gutloading resources I give to pet owners. The...

You forced a consensus by using a blatantly false narrative from your first statement that there was no science to back it up. All those papers discuss feeding high quality foods to improve nutritional value of invertebrates to vertebrates to consume them and called it gutloading. Sorry to have...

Gutloading to me means that a feeder has ingested food for long enough to digest it so the nutrients are present not only in the digestive tract but also in the bloodstream. Which is why there is a time stipulated for gutloading to be successful after offering food to the feeders. Do you...

You love to throw anyone under the bus for disagreeing with you. Your very first statement on this thread was a lie by your own standards when you say “there’s no science” and I list 24 scientific papers in my first response. Get over yourself. Dose is the poison. Those are not recommended as...

Unfortunately we cannot. The industry standard term is “gutloading”. It is what everyone knows and even though some people do not have enough familiarity with it. We can’t just decide one day to change the term used and expect that to change across the board in reptile keeping. Chameleon Forums...

Arguing that it’s “gutloading” vs “feeding” is semantics and doesn’t change anything in the grand scheme of things. If it improves nutritional content and the chameleon benefits that’s the only part that matters.

Ah yes, here's some more: Allen, M.E. 1997. From blackbirds and thrushes… to the gut-loaded cricket: a new approach to zoo animal nutrition. Br J Nutr 78:S135-S143. Allen ME, Oftedal OT. 1982. Calcium and phosphorus levels in live prey. In AAZPA 1982 Northeastern Regional Proceedings. Toronto...

There is sure is a lot of conjecture and heavy handed statements without any scientific backing on this thread. Let me help with that. They do actually. AN OVERVIEW OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND EVALUATION OF A GUTLOADING DIET FOR FEEDER CRICKETS FORMULATED TO PROVIDE A BALANCED NUTRIENT SOURCE FOR...

This is not caused by obesity in this case but by inflammation of the turret conjunctiva. This can be caused by a piece of shed in the turret or other foreign material such a particulate matter from vines, sap from plants, or substrate, or an early respiratory infection. Hypovitaminosis A can...

Serious question @PetNcs - doesn’t the range of veiled chameleons extend through a decent part of Yemen or is it only in a very small isolated region? Seems like there’s a decent amount of geographical and elevation variation or is it all the exact same climate across their entire range? For...

If you say and publish videos, etc that it is fat and then criticize anyone else for saying the same because you have “new evidence” then the burden of proof is on you, not me nor anyone else. Now, as a moderator I am closing this thread because it is obviously no longer a civil discourse or...

Could you please post the histopathology report of tissues from the casque that made you change your mind? It would clear everything up once and for all. That’s the only definitive way to determine tissue origin and microscopic structure.

@Beman this is one of the more frustrating parts of loving chameleons. We (collective we as in humanity) are still learning about them and things can change quite a bit as we learn more. What we know now that we didn’t know even 10 years ago (not to mention a few decades ago) is quite a bit, and...

As someone who has in fact dissected and operated on veiled chameleon casques I have personally seen fat between and around the muscles. Next time I’ll take a picture for the purpose of this argument... This may not be the case in a normal, lean weight chameleon. However especially in the obese...

I miss Chris Anderson’s presence :(