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So I got a message back from bill and he said he can absolutely make my order without pre drilled holes. Thanks guys for the help And thanks Bill your the man!

Post some pics of your Cham and setup...and your sure your Cham is male?

Sounds like something is definitely goin on since he's sleeping during the day, as long as you have a vet visit hopefully he can help, your husbandry from the sounds seems ok to me so he could just be a sick Cham. Take some poop to the vet with you for testing.

Is he sleeping during the day or there shut as in he has an infection and cannot open them?

:eek:Soon I'll be making some pretty major purchases but before I do I'd like to get some input on this setup I plan to create. This setup will be used for a male veiled or possibly a new panther if I can afford one after all this :D This is what I plan to buy :eek: - 1XL breeder series cage...

Yeah I was reading on the ds site and Bill says he uses the same method using a bucket head.

Trust me if I could convince my girl to let me buy the large atrium model it would be done already lol but that's a no go, and yessss what you said about the top ledges being to high up was my issue with this breeder cage, I emailed ds asking if I bought the cage if they would not pre drill...

Yeah I seen that it's just a mesh bottom, that will probably come in to play later on in my build, I'll prob just drill holes in the pvc bottom it comes with and use that for a while because I want to buy the cage and a quad fixture from lightupyourrep and both those purchases will prob break...

Thanks again yeah me too.

I want the cage to look like this...with no ds ledges until I install them myself.

I just emailed via the website, thanks for the help hopefully I'll get a response soon.

So when ordering just shoot him an email?

I really want this cage I just want to place the ledges in places of my choosing so I'm confused now lol do these cages come with pre-installed ledges?

This says the walls come built with the ledges already installed on them?

My basking bulb is opposite of my pothos so the neither the plant or the fishing line get hot.

Yeah I I have pretty much the same cage from lllrep just screen though I also have a drainage tray on that cage and definitely plan on one for this cage. If I couldn't move the dragon ledges on the breeder that was a deal breaker for me so Thanks for the reply, now time to break the bank lol...

Also if anyone knows, does the breeder cage only come in white? Not a deal breaker for me just wondering...

New summer project will be a dragonstrand cage, my question is does anyone know about the breeder series cage with the pvc back walls? I was wondering if the actual ds ledges are built into this breeder cage walls or can you move them around and place them where you want? I'd like to do my build...

Good deal, was just worried if he was sick. Thanks

since last night I knew my Cham was about to shed as he had some little pieces of skin already coming off of him, I get home today and he's pretty much fully shedded besides his legs, my concern is his color!!! He looks darker than normal to me. Is he just stressed from his shed? Could there be...