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    My new wild-caught veiled...he shows self-awareness via the mirror test

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/yall Again, I'll fact check and source this for you. If you're going to call someone else uneducated you should at least have your facts straight.
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    My new wild-caught veiled...he shows self-awareness via the mirror test

    Believe what you want, and yes ya'll is a word and in the dictionary. It's common for people from Texas. And english may not be my first language, but I graduated as one of the top students in my clinical and lab rotations. And 3). don't go around spreading false information... I am sorry, I...
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    My new wild-caught veiled...he shows self-awareness via the mirror test

    love the pic! and jealous. I want to make my guys birthday hats, since 3 of them share the same birthday as me
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    My new wild-caught veiled...he shows self-awareness via the mirror test

    I'm a doctor and herpetologist by hobby. Say whatever you want, but I started off polite until you both got hostile, even after I explained multiple times that this thread was for positive criticism and opinions. I'm just not a pushover and going to put up with yall's opinionated attitudes...
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    My new wild-caught veiled...he shows self-awareness via the mirror test

    Thank you @Kclarke02, and I am glad this forum has been so much help for you, chameleons are amazing creatures and complex. And I definitely care for them and give them as good of a life as I can in captivity. They are my babies, and I treat them as such! Congrats on the new hobby, I think the...
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    My new wild-caught veiled...he shows self-awareness via the mirror test

    Did you even take the time to look at the scientific journal article I sourced? It refutes their claims and backs up my accusations.
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    My new wild-caught veiled...he shows self-awareness via the mirror test

    I got that, hence why I said good advice...because it is. But they have no room coming to the thread I posted that, as a fellow chameleon enthusiast, am genuinely curious about and wanted to hear other opinions, then insulting me, making assumptions, and putting words in my mouth. Even after I...
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    My new wild-caught veiled...he shows self-awareness via the mirror test

    Great Pics, and awesome, I feel the same, and love the relationship my chameleons and I share (even my female Oustalet who is very independent!). Your large male veil, small female, and male panther have a striking resemblance to 3 of my babies!
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    My new wild-caught veiled...he shows self-awareness via the mirror test

    Thanks for that, and good advice. It would be nice to be welcomed to a new forum instead of ridiculed and dismissed when I try to start a topic that is interesting and meaningful to me.
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    My new wild-caught veiled...he shows self-awareness via the mirror test

    I completely agree with you. I do like to check out my guys when they are on top of my head in the mirror, but anytime I notice a hint of stress in any situation I resolve it. I love my chameleons as well, and my favorite one (my female Oustalet) is the most independent of them all, so while she...
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    My new wild-caught veiled...he shows self-awareness via the mirror test

    @cyberlocc @jajeanpierre You guys are ridiculous, and are both in complete denial...sorry I had to be the one to put you both in your place on this forum. I truly feel sorry for all your chameleons, and your kids (if you have any) as well. By reading through some of yall's post I can see the...
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    My new wild-caught veiled...he shows self-awareness via the mirror test

    I caught all my Veiled's and Oustalets in the wild. It's a rewarding experience, you should get out and try it. And I breed Oustalets and Panthers, the Veileds just happen to be caught while pregnant so I have had multiple clutches of Veileds. Also, you both need to learn to read and not put...
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    My new wild-caught veiled...he shows self-awareness via the mirror test

    Yeah I saw this video awhile ago as well, and recently came across it which is kind of what led me to wonder if perhaps chameleons could be self-aware. It was just weird how he was chilling on my head, then when my gf walked in the bathroom he saw her (through the mirror) and hid his body all...
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    My new wild-caught veiled...he shows self-awareness via the mirror test

    Thank you for finally adding on to the conversation I intended on trying to discus. I had one other chameleon who would kind of touch the mirror like your Herbert. Zeus is the same in that he likes mirrors and does not puff out or get angry...I can't say he has humped my arm though hahah, that's...
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    My new wild-caught veiled...he shows self-awareness via the mirror test

    Don't ever tell me I don't take proper care of my chameleons, I take amazing care of them. I am willing to bet that my custom cages are larger than whatever you keep your chameleons in (not to mention I allow them to free roam), I've invested way more money for the proper lighting and set-ups to...
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    My new wild-caught veiled...he shows self-awareness via the mirror test

    If you would have read my earlier posts i never said he needs a mirror to hide his entire body. I stated that if all that is visible from his field of vision is a mirror with a perceived threat he can still hide. Thus; he looks through mirror and can recognize a perceived threat (another male...
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    My new wild-caught veiled...he shows self-awareness via the mirror test

    In case you want to add your conjecture on that statement, he is an invasive species, I am licensed to capture invasive species, and the majority of his habitat had just got destroyed so he was literally all alone in a small patch of tree's...which have since been cut down and burned.
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    My new wild-caught veiled...he shows self-awareness via the mirror test

    As I mentioned previously that was one of the first pics of Zeus I took after capturing him from the wild, of course he was fired up....and considering there is no mirror in that pic, it would be hard for him to get fired up at seeing his reflection. Again, I asked for positive criticism and...
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    My new wild-caught veiled...he shows self-awareness via the mirror test

    Look, just take your straw-man argument to another thread...I never stated there was a scientific test done (though scientists did research the bond between the man and the crocodile). I'm done arguing with you guys, as stated previously I came here with an observation in hope that people might...
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    My new wild-caught veiled...he shows self-awareness via the mirror test

    If I'm not mistaken a crocodile is a reptile? And I didn't imply cat's and reptiles brains worked the same way, I used that comparison to show the ignorance of the previous statement. Cats were solitary and yet after a long time of human interaction, and natural selection they have learned to...
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