Arcadia Supplements // Hopping on the Hype Train?

[Dbash44]

Hey CF,

Happy Thursday. I ordered the Arcadia supplements that ppl have been raving about lately. Specifically the Arcadia Earth Pro Calcium Pro mg and Arcadia Earth Pro A.

So my question is, has anybody made the switch to these supplements? Is it worth it? If it ain’t broke don’t fix it kind of situation?

From my understanding they’re supposed to be more naturally derived supplements which is why I considered the switch.

Currently I use Lugarti calcium, Repcal calcium with D3 and Repcal Mutlivitamin.

I understand I’ll have to use a D3 supplement still if I decide to switch. Don’t want to risk this even though I’m confident about my lighting with the solar meter I’m now using.

 

[kinyonga]

I've never used the Arcadia supplements but I've used RepCal with and without D3 and Herptivite for years.
That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the Arcadia...I just have no experience with it.

 

[snitz427]

I believe @Beman (where've you been!?) uses Arcadia supplements.

 

[cyberlocc]

They dont have D3, so keep that in mind.



"From my understanding they’re supposed to be more naturally derived supplements which is why I considered the switch."

Arcadia, has very good marketing, and word things in ways, where they are not lying, but they are not giving you the full story either.

I am pretty upset, with the Deep Heat, Scandal we will call it lol.

They sold me, Deep Heats all over.... But again, Marketing...

They did all the flashy marketing, "Has IRA" "Deep Tissue Heating" "More Natural Heat", ya all that is fine and good, until they were actually tested....

Which lets see how that stands up, Remember "Deep Tissue Heating" Comes from IRA. "Heat-projector carbon filament lamp" is Arcadia's Deep Heat.

(Image from Reptile Lighting's (facebook group) "This business of light and heat")

As you can see, Arcadia likes to embellish quite alot. Sorry to go sort of OT, but the point was the embellishing that Arcadia's marketing dept likes to do.

 

[Ares05]

I believe @Beman (where've you been!?) uses Arcadia supplements.

Becca is taking a long break from the forums, to focus on her daughter and work. Last we spoke (right before she decided to take a break) she wasn't feeling well. Im sure she will be around once she is back up to speed.

 

[coastal_chameleon]

I hear it doest have any preformed vitamin a , at it only has a wide range of carotenoid .
also hear its unknown if panthers are not able to convert them into preformed vit a

 

[cyberlocc]

Good lord! I looked this stuff up, 8 dollars for 100g....

Its calcium carbonate, guys... Its not any different than the Reptile Calcium by zoomed that is literally less than half the price.

This is what I am saying, Steve Jobs Man, Steve Jobs....

 

[Chamel619]

Good lord! I looked this stuff up, 8 dollars for 100g....

Its calcium carbonate, guys... Its not any different than the Reptile Calcium by zoomed that is literally less than half the price.

This is what I am saying, Steve Jobs Man, Steve Jobs....

Saying “reptile calcium” by zoo med is the same as Earth pro A” or even “Repashy calcium plus” would suggest you haven’t read the labels.

You’re paying for the quality of ingredients as well as the time it took to research and balance them in a way that would be beneficial.

As with most thing man made, you get what you pay for.

 

[cyberlocc]

Saying “reptile calcium” by zoo med is the same as Earth pro A” or even “Repashy calcium plus” would suggest you haven’t read the labels.

You’re paying for the quality of ingredients as well as the time it took to research and balance them in a way that would be beneficial.

As with most thing man made, you get what you pay for.

Ya not really my friend.

Your post here, and the other one you just had, shows me you don't have a clue what you are talking about and are out of your league. .

When did anyone at all day anything about Calcium Plus? Completely different products bud.

I also was not talking about the earth pro A, rather the Calcium Pro. Maybe read the post...

 

[Chamel619]

Ya not really my friend.

Your post here, and the other one you just had, shows me you don't have a clue what you are talking about and are out of your league. .

i’m sorry that you’re cheap. learn to buy quality products.

The calcium plus reference was to illustrate.

 

[cyberlocc]

i’m sorry that your cheap. learn to buy quality products.

You know nothing about me. Nor anything about the products you are staying I don't buy

Hilarious posts though, thanks I needed this.

If there is real data, and studies on what Arcadia is using that sets them apart I would love to see them. I know the no preformed A was brought up, and that's not a good thing.

If you expect me to believe this is a "Quality Supplement" because Arcadia says so, well we been over that.

 

[Chamel619]

You know nothing about me. Nor anything about the products you are staying I don't buy

Hilarious posts though, thanks I needed this.

Now I see why you hide your profile. I’ll be trolled no further.

 

[cyberlocc]

Now I see why you hide your profile. I’ll be trolled no further.

Lolol, I am the troll... 2300 posts, over 2500 likes, but you, someone with 50 posts, are calling me a troll. Laughable.

I do agree though, I think the ability to hide your profile is silly, I made the same comment, and set mine that way, in protest a couple weeks back .

 

[jcarlsen]

Ok, let's get back on topic. Since I'm looking to adopt a new panther in the summer, I'm curious about people's lighting/supplementation. I've used Arcadia's 6% bulb and was using a light dusting of Rep Cal plus (like the Kammers), but one of my concerns was that I was still overdoing it since last I understood the Kammers were still using less potent T8 reptisun bulbs.

Admittedly, I can be a sucker for slick advertising, since it seemed appealing to get arcadia supplements to go with their bulbs lmao

 

[Kaizen]

Hey CF,

Happy Thursday. I ordered the Arcadia supplements that ppl have been raving about lately. Specifically the Arcadia Earth Pro Calcium Pro mg and Arcadia Earth Pro A.

So my question is, has anybody made the switch to these supplements? Is it worth it? If it ain’t broke don’t fix it kind of situation?

From my understanding they’re supposed to be more naturally derived supplements which is why I considered the switch.

Currently I use Lugarti calcium, Repcal calcium with D3 and Repcal Mutlivitamin.

I understand I’ll have to use a D3 supplement still if I decide to switch. Don’t want to risk this even though I’m confident about my lighting with the solar meter I’m now using.

I use earthpro A (plus the calmag) exclusively with all my chams now. I switched five months back. This is not sufficient time to determine whether a diet with no preformed A will work out, but I’m trying. I like the earthpro, but have used calcium plus LoD in the past with success. The latter is a tried and tested method, the former, not so much.

 

[Kaizen]

I hear it doest have any preformed vitamin a , at it only has a wide range of carotenoid .
also hear its unknown if panthers are not able to convert them into preformed vit a

The study you are referring to here seemed to indicate that panthers don’t convert BetaCarotene into retinol. As there are over 700 different carotenoids—betacarotene being just one—it could turn out that some other carotenoid is doing some heavy lifting in the chameleon retinol department.

On the other hand, it might also turn out that most chameleons are supplied retinol from the egg in sufficient quantities to last their typical 2 year lifespan (shout out to @jamest0o0 for suggesting this). Of course, some chams live a lot longer in the wild, but these are generally the big boys; ie ones that would gladly take vertebrate prey and therefore get dietary A.

So, as far as I can tell, there are several options here.
1) Assume chameleons can convert some kind of carotenoid into retinal, and therefore provide them with as many as possible (this seems to be the earth pro route)
2) Assume that since chams are living way longer in captivity, that they’re going to need some supplemental retinol. I’m which case you could revert to 1) or else provide some form of preformed A. The latter could be in dust form, or else—more controversially—by way of occasional vertebrate prey.

 

[nightanole]

Good lord! I looked this stuff up, 8 dollars for 100g....

Its calcium carbonate, guys... Its not any different than the Reptile Calcium by zoomed that is literally less than half the price.

This is what I am saying, Steve Jobs Man, Steve Jobs....

You would think for the price they would brag its not made of ground up oyster shell s or bone meal, but odds are it is the same source as everyone else.

 

[cyberlocc]

You would think for the price they would brag its not made of ground up oyster shell s or bone meal, but odds are it is the same source as everyone else.

Was my point exactly .

My grandfather use to tell me this, joke or saying I guess, I don't recall it fully, but I recall the idea.

"A man, walking through the market, stops at a vase shop and sees 2 vases that he likes. They are beautiful matching vases, identical in every way, as if the same. The man, ask the merchant, how much for these vases. The merchant replies "The one on the left is 300, the one on the right is 50".

The man pauses for a a second and says "But they look the same, why is one 300 and one 50, what is different."

The merchant replies "Nothing is different, they are the same. Some people want to pay 300, and others would rather pay 50 that's all." "

Marketing, as we can see in this very post. It works, I am being attacked in this thread and others for "being too cheap, to buy the 9 dollar Quality Calcium", and "You get what to pay for".

While hilariously neither of those things are always true. Some people just want to pay 300, be it for a perceived quality difference that accompanies a higher price tag, or a Status symbol effect.

 

[nightanole]

We are not selling our calcium at 5 bucks a bottle, ok put it on sale for 3 for $20. AAAAAAAnd it sells out.

 

[cyberlocc]

The study you are referring to here seemed to indicate that panthers don’t convert BetaCarotene into retinol. As there are over 700 different carotenoids—betacarotene being just one—it could turn out that some other carotenoid is doing some heavy lifting in the chameleon retinol department.

On the other hand, it might also turn out that most chameleons are supplied retinol from the egg in sufficient quantities to last their typical 2 year lifespan (shout out to @jamest0o0 for suggesting this). Of course, some chams live a lot longer in the wild, but these are generally the big boys; ie ones that would gladly take vertebrate prey and therefore get dietary A.

So, as far as I can tell, there are several options here.
1) Assume chameleons can convert some kind of carotenoid into retinal, and therefore provide them with as many as possible (this seems to be the earth pro route)
2) Assume that since chams are living way longer in captivity, that they’re going to need some supplemental retinol. I’m which case you could revert to 1) or else provide some form of preformed A. The latter could be in dust form, or else—more controversially—by way of occasional vertebrate prey.

There is one more way, that is more natural maybe, probably.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/agricultural-and-biological-sciences/insectivores.

"Insectivores. Insectivores must be fed a variety of insects that have been dusted with multivitamins that contain preformed vitamin A and mixed carotenoids (not just β-carotene), and/or insects fed a good-quality, gut-loading diet with vitamin A and mixed carotenoids. "

Seems to suggest, that feeding Bugs Vit A Preformed, will translate to the animal.


So we are real careful, with our insects that we feed, we were just talking about this the other day. Our insects are fed, sort of unnatural diets, we stuff them with "Good Stuff" fruits, veggies, ect. However the Insects the animals consume in the wild, consume dead animals. A lot of fly species are reared in the wild in dead animal carcass, roaches (which chams dont eat in the wild) are better served by animal protein, and likely make use of the retinol.

So its likely less so, the chams eating verts, and more so the bugs are eating verts then the cham eats the bug. I would think, seems logical, would have to see if we could turn up a study on it, however its the most likely scenario imo.