Buying 1-week old panthers...

[Warrix642]

I plan on buying 3, 1 week old panther chams so I get used to young babies before my eggs hatch. What is your take on this? pro/cons? Is shipping them that young a problem? If they are healthy after 1 week then I think they will all survive 1 night in a box, but this is my assumtion... Please any advice/negativity is welcome I'm just tryin to learn.

Thanks,
Dustin

 

[hallenhe]

Most people are going to be against the proposal, I'm guessing. Part of the reason is they're more fragile the first couple months, and the chance of death is higher than for 3 or 4 month olds, all else being equal - a 3 month old has a lower mortality risk than a one week old. Now, you're not a naive buyer, and some of the usual arguments wouldn't apply. I would personally be very leery of shipping at that age - if I were to consider such a move, it would probably only be if I could get them locally and transport them less than 20 minutes. The other thing to watch out for is to make sure you've got a reliable breeder; someone who makes a habit out of selling one week olds might be in it more for the money and not have the best animals.

In a nutshell, I wouldn't; I'd wait for the eggs you have cooking to hatch. It's a learning experience either way, but I don't see that one week olds would really give you any useful "transitional" information.

Sorry to ramble.

 

[laurie]

Dustin you are a brave person. I know I am way careful but I mist my babies at that age 3 times a day and feed them 3 times a day. I also keep their temps the same all day. I don't know how you can do any of that with them in a box and the movement of shipping could kill them, or I would think it could. Let me know how it goes. How far are they being shipped?

 

[Fidel]

I've had 1 week old panthers shipped overnight before. They were fine and are alive and well now. The temperatures were stable and mild though, both in origin and destination.

I'm more interested in your logic on this. Why do you need "practice"? Are your eggs Faly's and you found some cheap-o ambilobes for "practice"?

 

[jake01]

Ethically, I disagree with shipping an animal that young. Just my personal opinion.

 

[Warrix642]

I've had 1 week old panthers shipped overnight before. They were fine and are alive and well now. The temperatures were stable and mild though, both in origin and destination.

I'm more interested in your logic on this. Why do you need "practice"? Are your eggs Faly's and you found some cheap-o ambilobes for "practice"?

My eggs are Red body blue bar Ambilobe eggs, and it's my first cluch so I want some practice with the young. The breeder doesn't like to do this but will give a live arive warranty, it took some talkin into for him to even consider it... It isn't set in stone but I am leaning towards trying it out.

 

[summoner12]

I don't think it's a good idea. Why not wait until your cham hatch and have a go with them instead of spending money on someone else's babies and risking the 'investment'? Panther babies are more fragile than veileds... they can drop dead for no reason within the first month or two..... without being shipped....

I don't see the point in this venture... just let the breeder raise them and ensure a better life than shipping them and risking the babies.

 

[Fearaffect]

If u can buy local or p/u from some1 thats only a few hours away...then i dont think that would be a prob. but I wouldnt ship that young......just to dangerous(IMO) and they dehydrate to quickly, even if the deli cup is misted well b4 shipping out. I dont even like shipping b4 a month old.

 

[Warrix642]

I don't think it's a good idea. Why not wait until your cham hatch and have a go with them instead of spending money on someone else's babies and risking the 'investment'? Panther babies are more fragile than veileds... they can drop dead for no reason within the first month or two..... without being shipped....

I don't see the point in this venture... just let the breeder raise them and ensure a better life than shipping them and risking the babies.

I'm not worried about the money, I see it as buying (baby)experience. I feel that by doing this I will save more chams from my clutch and make the money back later. Plus I like to raise chams for as much of there lives as possible.

If u can buy local or p/u from some1 thats only a few hours away...then i dont think that would be a prob. but I wouldnt ship that young......just to dangerous(IMO) and they dehydrate to quickly, even if the deli cup is misted well b4 shipping out. I dont even like shipping b4 a month old.

The shipping will be across country...but that's stilll only 14-18 hours in a box, they will just think it's night time. It will be packaged extra safe with a heat pack, high-humidity and plenty of padding. I think the outcome will be great. I will be paying for them today/tom. and getting them on sat. or monday. I will post when I hear more or when I get them.

Dustin

 

[Julirs]

Sucess in raising babies is consistency and making sure your environment is correct. I see no reason to practice with week olds. You will get plenty of practice with your first clutch. What is there to practice anyways??? You make sure your temps are correct and you set them up and feed them correctly. You are a member of this forum with plenty of people to ask questions of and get advice from.

 

[Warrix642]

Sucess in raising babies is consistency and making sure your environment is correct. I see no reason to practice with week olds. You will get plenty of practice with your first clutch. What is there to practice anyways??? You make sure your temps are correct and you set them up and feed them correctly. You are a member of this forum with plenty of people to ask questions of and get advice from.

I see what your saying but I am a little paranoid about it all...I would rather have 3 deaths instead of 38. I'd rather be safe than sorry. If I lose $200...o well, who cares? Im sure in everyones first clutch there were a few more you could have saved if you had raised 3 dif. hatchlings before yours hatched.

 

[GooglezNvincent]

I see what your saying but I am a little paranoid about it all...I would rather have 3 deaths instead of 38. I'd rather be safe than sorry. If I lose $200...o well, who cares? Im sure in everyones first clutch there were a few more you could have saved if you had raised 3 dif. hatchlings before yours hatched.

What if all three die in transit, lose the money and no experience.

 

[jannb]

I would not recommend it and in my opinion a respectable breeder would not even consider shipping a one week old.

If you are planning to raise panthers their mortality rate is quite high anyway compared to veileds for the first couple months.

 

[Warrix642]

What if all three die in transit, lose the money and no experience.

I get a live arival warranty!!! I think if they survive the shipping then I can raise them just fine.

 

[GooglezNvincent]

What breeder in their right mind would ship you one week olds first of all and then on top of that assure you a live arrival gaurantee?

 

[Warrix642]

What breeder in their right mind would ship you one week olds first of all and then on top of that assure you a live arrival gaurantee?

I don't wanna say any names but trust me it took some talking into...He doesn't want to ship this young at all but I have talked him into it. He has so many young ones that he can gaurantee me without worrying about it. We decided if one/all dies on the way then I will wait a few weeks to get them replaced when they are older and stronger. I think that any hatchling that survived in an egg for 6 months then hatched and eats/drinks/poops can survive 1 night of close to ideal conditions in a box.

 

[jake01]

I think enough people have chimed in you should know what the best thing to do is . If you decide to go through with it, best of luck you'll need it.

 

[GooglezNvincent]

well it comes down to it just being unnecessary, you dont NEED more chams based on the fact your eggs are hatching soon, and also i am getting the feeling that you just dont mind if they die, that those 3 chams are dispensible. (This is how i feel so i could be wrong, i am not attacking you) It is just that they are SOOOOOOOOO fragile and wouldnt you rather be able to say the first babies you ever raise were yours?! and you hatched them out and have been with them the whole time, i wouldnt replace that first experience!

 

[Warrix642]

well it comes down to it just being unnecessary, you dont NEED more chams based on the fact your eggs are hatching soon, and also i am getting the feeling that you just dont mind if they die, that those 3 chams are dispensible. (This is how i feel so i could be wrong, i am not attacking you) It is just that they are SOOOOOOOOO fragile and wouldnt you rather be able to say the first babies you ever raise were yours?! and you hatched them out and have been with them the whole time, i wouldnt replace that first experience!

I do see it as necessary, my eggs aren't even laid yet but I'm tryin to prepare early so I have time to raise the 3 young ones for a while. And in NO WAY do I think those 3 chams are dispensible, I just think that if they can't live in a warm humid box that is close to perfect conditions for a few hours, nature would have never let that cham live, and it only may have survived if it stays at home in perfect conditions.

 

[Fearaffect]

well it comes down to it just being unnecessary, you dont NEED more chams based on the fact your eggs are hatching soon, and also i am getting the feeling that you just dont mind if they die, that those 3 chams are dispensible. (This is how i feel so i could be wrong, i am not attacking you) It is just that they are SOOOOOOOOO fragile and wouldnt you rather be able to say the first babies you ever raise were yours?! and you hatched them out and have been with them the whole time, i wouldnt replace that first experience!

Agree......