Calumma

[Chammy007]

Hello, is this Calumma a Nosy Be. They look similar if not. What species is this considered. Any reputable breeders for the Calumma. I’m looking for one that’s as close to being identical to the one in this photo.thanks.

 

[skywes13]

That is a Calumna Parsonii Parsonii. This species is more commonly imported than captive bred so there aren't very many breeders in the US, but a good CPP breeder I personally know of is @Motherlode Chameleon who is called Primo Chameleons on FB. The subspecies of the one in the photo is called Orange-Eye Calumna Parsonii Parsonii. Also, I know @jamest0o0 has a beautiful Yellow-Lip Calumna Parsonii Parsonii.
However, you should be aware that Parson's Chameleons are one of the more "high-maintenance" species of chameleons there are in terms of captive husbandry and finding reliable information on their care.

 

[Chammy007]

That is a Calumna Parsonii Parsonii. This species is more commonly imported than captive bred so there aren't very many breeders in the US, but a good CPP breeder I personally know of is @Motherlode Chameleon who is called Primo Chameleons on FB. The subspecies of the one in the photo is called Orange-Eye Calumna Parsonii Parsonii. Also, I know @jamest0o0 has a beautiful Yellow-Lip Calumna Parsonii Parsonii.
However, you should be aware that Parson's Chameleons are one of the more "high-maintenance" species of chameleons there are in terms of captive husbandry and finding reliable information on their care.

Thanks much. I’m planning on bringing home a new Chammy approx August. I was going to go with a Nosy be but I absolutely love this Calumma. Any suggested reading for their care?

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

Calumma parsonii parsonii are documented as living on Nosy Be Island. However those reports have not been confirmed and the species Calumma parsonii parsonii has not been seen on the island of Nosy Be to my knowledge since at best the 1990's.

That specimen in your photo looks to be a shot of Jannb's past male Calumma parsonii parsonii Cooper. That Calumma parsonii parsonii is an Orange Eye White Lipped phase/morph.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

 

[Mendez]

but a good CPP breeder I personally know of is @Motherlode Chameleon who is called Primo Chameleons on FB.

Primo Chameleons on Facebook and Instagram is Craig Durbin, aka @Action Jackson here on the forums. Jeremy Rich is @Motherlode Chameleon. Two of the best parsonii breeders and keepers here in the U.S. Everything else is spot on.

 

[Chammy007]

Hello, was just researching and found where it says that Calumma’s can grow to be 27”. Would a Zen Habitats 48x24x24 be big enough for it?

 

[Chase]

Hello, was just researching and found where it says that Calumma’s can grow to be 27”. Would a Zen Habitats 48x24x24 be big enough for it?

No it would not be

 

[jamest0o0]

That lighting in that picture is different a bit too. They don't look that color exactly, but they're still beautiful. They need a very large area. My Parsons lives on a free range in our office room. Standard cages are too small.

 

[kinyonga]

You're going to pay a lot more for a Parsonii than a Nosy Be Panther chameleon.

 

[PoseidonTheChameleon]

If your looking for a Nosy Be, then you should know those are only panther chameleons, this is a type of Parsons. They are completely different species and like kinyonga said, they have a big money difference.

 

[leedragon]

To be clear there is not chameleon that is named nose be. nose be is a place in madagascar. You may be reffering to the panter chameleon (furcifer pardalis) of nose be location or perhaps to any other species of chameleon which lives there.

Ps For parsons you would need 180 m tallx 1.50 wide x 1 meter deep enclosure or bigger.

 

[Action Jackson]

Primo Chameleons on Facebook and Instagram is Craig Durbin, aka @Action Jackson here on the forums. Jeremy Rich is @Motherlode Chameleon. Two of the best parsonii breeders and keepers here in the U.S. Everything else is spot on.

Thanks!
Pretty sure Jeremy hasn’t bred Parson’s.

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

Thanks!
Pretty sure Jeremy hasn’t bred Parson’s.

I have had legitimate captive captive breeding activity from Rhinos and Trudy. You are not that sure of things Craig.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

 

[Action Jackson]

Calumma parsonii parsonii are documented as living on Nosy Be Island. However those reports have not been confirmed and the species Calumma parsonii parsonii has not been seen on the island of Nosy Be to my knowledge since at best the 1990's.

That specimen in your photo looks to be a shot of Jannb's past male Calumma parsonii parsonii Cooper. That Calumma parsonii parsonii is an Orange Eye White Lipped phase/morph.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

Jeremy, can you please tell us where we can find the information that Parsonii have been found on Nosy Be?

I have had legitimate captive captive breeding activity from Rhinos and Trudy. You are not that sure of things Craig.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

What do you define as “breeding activity”? Did they copulate? Did you get eggs? Any babies?

Perhaps I’m unsure what your definition of what a parsonii breeder is.

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

Jeremy, can you please tell us where we can find the information that Parsonii have been found on Nosy Be?

What do you define as “breeding activity”? Did they copulate? Did you get eggs? Any babies?

Perhaps I’m unsure what your definition of what a parsonii breeder is.

A Field Guide to the Amphibians and Reptiles of Madagascar: Second Edition, by Frank Glaw and Miguel Vences and Amphibians and Reptiles of Madagascar and the Mascarene, Seychelles, and Comoro Islands: by Friedrich- Wilhelm Henkel and Wolfgang Schmidt list Nosy Be as a reported location for Calumma parsonii parsonii. There are other books that have Nosy Be listed historically as Calumma parsonii parsonii native range and habitat. I talked to Ardi Abate about this topic in the mid 1990's and she specifically searched the island and said any population that was there she believed no longer was present there.

I had mating/breeding activity just before copulation from two true captive bred Calumma parsonii parsonii Rhinos and Trudy. I am not just collecting eggs from wild caught females. What I am doing is much more difficult approach. True captive breeding.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

 

[leedragon]

rap battle chameleon forum style.

 

[Chase]

rap battle chameleon forum style.

 

[Action Jackson]

A Field Guide to the Amphibians and Reptiles of Madagascar: Second Edition, by Frank Glaw and Miguel Vences and Amphibians and Reptiles of Madagascar and the Mascarene, Seychelles, and Comoro Islands: by Friedrich- Wilhelm Henkel and Wolfgang Schmidt list Nosy Be as a reported location for Calumma parsonii parsonii. There are other books that have Nosy Be listed historically as Calumma parsonii parsonii native range and habitat. I talked to Ardi Abate about this topic in the mid 1990's and she specifically searched the island and said any population that was there she believed no longer was present there.

I had mating/breeding activity just before copulation from two true captive bred Calumma parsonii parsonii Rhinos and Trudy. I am not just collecting eggs from wild caught females. What I am doing is much more difficult approach. True captive breeding.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

Thanks for the info. I’m sure there have been other populations of parsonii that have disappeared due to habitat destruction or perhaps if there were Parsonii on Nosy Be, due to over collection. I know the population of parsonii on Nosy Boraha is just about gone. We were lucky enough to to see one of the last remaining Parson’s on that island.

As far as breeding Parsonii. Seeing some head bobbing from a male so far from actual breeding.

Since you are insinuating I don’t actually breed parson’s I must enlighten you. I have produced 7 clutches of CBB parsonii. By “produced” I mean, bred the parents and hatched the babies. I have also hatched 2 clutches of eggs from WC gravid Yellow lip females. I know you and your buddy Nicky think this is horrible but I don’t agree. I did not import those females but they were offered to me and I bought them. What better place is there for them to go to? Not only do I have several specialized incubators and the knowledge to hatch them but I also have the ability to house the babies individually. I successfully got the females to lay, incubated the eggs for 19 months and successfully hatched and raised the babies. That’s around 70+ captive hatched Yellow lip Parson’s that entered into the hobby from 2 WC females. Because of that we now see quite a few CB Yellow lip Parson’s in the hobby and I have no doubt that soon some of these offspring will be breeding and producing true CBB Yellow lip Parson’s in the US. Some of those YL’s are on display on this very forum. One was on the calendar cover and one is currently in the photo contest. Seems like a good thing to me.

My breeding efforts continue as I probably have the biggest collection of Parson’s in the US and I currently have nearly 100 parsonii eggs incubating, including two clutches of CBB Yellow Giant Parson’s. I currently keep all 4 types of parsonii we see in the hobby and have kept them for years.

 

[Chase]

Thanks for the info. I’m sure there have been other populations of parsonii that have disappeared due to habitat destruction or perhaps if there were Parsonii on Nosy Be, due to over collection. I know the population of parsonii on Nosy Boraha is just about gone. We were lucky enough to to see one of the last remaining Parson’s on that island.

As far as breeding Parsonii. Seeing some head bobbing from a male so far from actual breeding.

Since you are insinuating I don’t actually breed parson’s I must enlighten you. I have produced 7 clutches of CBB parsonii. By “produced” I mean, bred the parents and hatched the babies. I have also hatched 2 clutches of eggs from WC gravid Yellow lip females. I know you and your buddy Nicky think this is horrible but I don’t agree. I did not import those females but they were offered to me and I bought them. What better place is there for them to go to? Not only do I have several specialized incubators and the knowledge to hatch them but I also have the ability to house the babies individually. I successfully got the females to lay, incubated the eggs for 19 months and successfully hatched and raised the babies. That’s around 70+ captive hatched Yellow lip Parson’s that entered into the hobby from 2 WC females. Because of that we now see quite a few CB Yellow lip Parson’s in the hobby and I have no doubt that soon some of these offspring will be breeding and producing true CBB Yellow lip Parson’s in the US. Some of those YL’s are on display on this very forum. One was on the calendar cover and one is currently in the photo contest. Seems like a good thing to me.

My breeding efforts continue as I probably have the biggest collection of Parson’s in the US and I currently have nearly 100 parsonii eggs incubating, including two clutches of CBB Yellow Giant Parson’s. I currently keep all 4 types of parsonii we see in the hobby and have kept them for years.

We don’t call you Calumma Craig for no reason!

 

[Action Jackson]

We don’t call you Calumma Craig for no reason!

Lol. I kinda like that name. The people I was traveling with in Madagascar gave me that name. Calumma I guess are my species although I love them mainland African species too.