Chameleons bothered by fan?

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photostyle85

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Hello all! I'm new here and I've been doing a lot of research about chameleons. I want to make sure I'm educated before I make a decision to purchase one. My question revolves around fans. I sleep with a fan on at night as I need white noise in order to sleep. It's a normal box-type fan that sits on the floor, but it's adjustable and I have it pointed towards the ground and in the direction of under my bed (I don't like the breeze, just the noise). The chameleon would be on the opposite side of the small room from the fan, and though the fan does create a slight draft, nothing that is currently on the side of the room the chameleon would go on currently moves/shakes/etc from the draft of the fan. The fan is only on when I'm sleeping, so about 6-8 hours at night. The temperature in my room is quite cool, but still within acceptable range for "evening temperatures" for the chameleon. I just wanted to know how sensitive they are in regards to a small draft? I know they need air flow though their cage, and I can't imagine in the wild there isn't a nice breeze going, but I just wanted some input from everybody. Thanks in advance!
 
Seeing as the wind blows in the chameleon's natural habitat, I doubt that a "draft" will upset it one bit !!

C'mon man !!

These are wild animals. They have no concept of background noise, much less being able to control their sleep environment. They sleep when the wind blows, and when it doesn't. They sleep when it rains, and when it doesn't.

I could go on, but hopefully you get the point. And hopefully others who contemplate such issues will give it some thought, and use their common sense a bit when contemplating similar questions. The fan need not be pointed away, as what you describe is not such as storm-force. FYI, I house chameleons outside here in Florida 9 months of the year. They get rain, wind ............... everything that comes with Florida. And Madagascar. Or Africa in general.

Best of luck with your chameleon.
 
you don't need to be a jerk CC. especially to a new member.
It was a perfectly good and reasonable question. especially if you're a new owner trying for optimal conditions, not the sometimes negative conditions of "the wild" where animals may not live as long as pampered pets.

further, a fan pointed direct into the cage could reduce humidity.
 
Fans can create a wind chill and reduce the temp of the entire room. As long as the room is warm enough it shouldn't matter.
 
sandrachameleon said:
you don't need to be a jerk CC. especially to a new member.
It was a perfectly good and reasonable question. especially if you're a new owner trying for optimal conditions, not the sometimes negative conditions of "the wild" where animals may not live as long as pampered pets.

further, a fan pointed direct into the cage could reduce humidity.
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What ? The intent is to give honest answers to the OP, and to also provide a basis for further decision making to all. My advice is solid. Backed by specific and long-term experience that goes exactly to the husbandry concerns noted.

I would suggest that you need to take a break from trying to run up your post count. If the OP has issues with me, or my response, they can post them, and I will fairly discuss them.
 
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djfishygillz said:
Fans can create a wind chill and reduce the temp of the entire room. As long as the room is warm enough it shouldn't matter.
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Fans create no effective wind chill with cold blooded animals. With warm-blooded ...... yes. But not with chameleons. Only if the animal were misted with water while exposed to a breeze would a wind-chill be created, and that would be basic evaporative cooling. That is not the issue here.

Your post is incorrect. Fans do not "reduce the temperature of an entire room". Think that one through. It is completely false.
 
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I don't want to be a jerk and don't mean to point out the OP but some common sense needs to come into play when keeping these animals. A fan pointed in the opposite direction of where the chameleon will be with no draft felt in the area the chameleon will be. I think he answered his own questions.

And yes in the wild there is a nice breeze usually in the coastal area's. Also the island gets walloped by cyclones a few times a year that produce winds in excess of 100mph.

Carl
 
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CarlC said:
I don't want to be a jerk and don't mean to point out the OP but some common sense needs to come into play when keeping these animals. A fan pointed in the opposite direction of where the chameleon will be with no draft felt in the area the chameleon will be. I think he answered his own questions.

And yes in the wild there is a nice breeze usually in the coastal area's. Also the island gets walloped by cyclones a few times a year that produce winds in excess of 100mph.

Carl
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Carl,
Thanks for the common-sense and reasoned answer. Chameleon keepers need to think in simple basic logic standards when it comes to Husbandry. The standard is Mother Nature, and not the whims of posters in a forum who cannot provide a reasoned basis for opinion.

Forums are a great source of information. But they contain no filters for disinformation. I do not have the time to dwell here all day and post. When I do post, I usually agitate for folks to think. To use common sense in looking to provide proper husbandry.

Hope all is well. Thanks.
 
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Thank you to those who provided input with substance. I understand that nobody here is the end all be all expert and there are people that may provide disinformation. I was simply trying to assure myself that I was on the right track with "answering my own question" as someone so eloquently put it. I have a feeling those questioning my concern would be the same people to bash me for not asking beforehand if I were to post months down the road that I was having an issue with my chameleon. I was raised that "no question is a stupid question, there are just stupid answers."
 
Well Jim, your post could have been taken as blunt or rude depending on who (or how) was reading it. Sometimes comments like these can turn new keepers away from wanting to publicly post (which can be a bad thing.) I have certainly had issues with this because of my writing style, though I try my best to avoid it. I think it was a valid question for a to-be keeper. How often do you hear that chameleons are fragile (and sometimes even exaggerated to the point where it sounds like veileds/panthers will die if you even look at it wrong?) If one is told that they are extremely fragile, then wouldn't one want to be absolutely positive that what they are doing won't harm the chameleon? And what if the OP was thinking that a fan and wind are different and the fan could, in some way they were unable to think of/consider, create a problem that wind in the wild wouldn't?

OP, I have had fans on occasionally in the chameleon room. It shouldn't really be an issue unless the fan is pointing directly at the chameleon and bothering it constantly or it creates fairly big humidity issues. What you plan on doing should be fine.
 
Being a new keeper myself, I still have alot of things I'm unsure of, and I feel like this is the best place for answers. Sometimes even if something is common sense, it's nice to have someone who knows a bit more confirm it for you. I won't let anything (or anyone) keep me from asking questions because I want the best for my little guy.
 
No one is perfect. That's a fact. But when it comes to chameleon husbandry I would def. listen to a person who has had a successful chameleon buiness for years or a site sponsor for sure! Just sayin. Those are the people I have learned everything from. :)
 
Tay And A said:
No one is perfect. That's a fact. But when it comes to chameleon husbandry I would def. listen to a person who has had a successful chameleon buiness for years or a site sponsor for sure! Just sayin. Those are the people I have learned everything from. :)
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Agree 100%, though he offered the same information that sandrachameleon did. No need for attitudes, if he thought it was a stupid question he very well could have just ignored it and moved along, or watched to see if someone gave very incorrect information and then chime in at that point. No harm done though! Like the previous poster, nothing will stop me from asking questions no matter how "common sense" they may be.
 
Chameleon Company said:
Fans create no effective wind chill with cold blooded animals. With warm-blooded ...... yes. But not with chameleons. Only if the animal were misted with water while exposed to a breeze would a wind-chill be created, and that would be basic evaporative cooling. That is not the issue here.

Your post is incorrect. Fans do not "reduce the temperature of an entire room". Think that one through. It is completely false.
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So my response to this gets deleted but he gets to keep this up... All I have said is yes it seems a fan would make a room cooler, and he feels the need to slam me down with this?

I think I am done with this forum.
 
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Tay And A said:
No one is perfect. That's a fact. But when it comes to chameleon husbandry I would def. listen to a person who has had a successful chameleon buiness for years or a site sponsor for sure! Just sayin. Those are the people I have learned everything from. :)
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Chameleon company is apparently perfect.
 
sandrachameleon said:
there you go again LOL the height of politeness. :confused:
perhaps you missed that I had already provided the same answer before your lovely input was shovelled.
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Actually, I was responding to this by you:

you don't need to be a jerk CC. especially to a new member.
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Perhaps you should look inward.

While your earlier post was not inaccurate, it did not provide much of a basis for the OP, and other readers, to then base future decisions upon. Saying that a "fan pointed away from the cage is OK" leaves many concerns still wide open, not just for the OP, but for readers as well. For instance, many fans can be pointed directly at the cage, although I would recommend a low speed.

Further, for what it is worth, my website, which I pay to keep up, specifically addresses the need for air-flow through a chameleon cage, and how it can be achieved. I don't expect everyone to Google my website, or others, but I do put my money and efforts, outside of this Forum, where my mouth is.

Lastly, I have always been a critic of the low level of good information found in a forum, where all it takes to be an expert is a keyboard and nothing better to do in many cases. There has been bad advice in this thread already, as there is in many threads. From folks with very little practical experience in chameleons. I would urge all folks to take everything in a Forum with a large grain of salt. I would urge you to seek out the websites of those of us who, although we may participate very little in Forums, clearly have track-records of experience.
 
aaron9069 said:
Being a new keeper myself, I still have alot of things I'm unsure of, and I feel like this is the best place for answers. Sometimes even if something is common sense, it's nice to have someone who knows a bit more confirm it for you. I won't let anything (or anyone) keep me from asking questions because I want the best for my little guy.
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photostyle85 said:
Agree 100%, though he offered the same information that sandrachameleon did. No need for attitudes, if he thought it was a stupid question he very well could have just ignored it and moved along, or watched to see if someone gave very incorrect information and then chime in at that point. No harm done though! Like the previous poster, nothing will stop me from asking questions no matter how "common sense" they may be.
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With all due respect, NO ONE has said that the question should not be asked. That is quite a mis-characterization. But both your posts illuminate what I know to be the trap of such as this Forum. And that is that you are assuming that folks who reply may know better than you, or may be somehow qualified to give you an informed answer. What I clearly inferred was to rely strongly on your own common sense, and to also be skeptical of advice given you, in that you should expect either a reasoned explanation of the basis for the advice, or as another noted, are getting it from someone with a track record, not of posting, but of success with chameleons.

To the OP and others, I want you to be successful. But I clearly have disdain for poor information.
 
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