Commercial formulation from gutloading study?

[Gryllidae Per Kcal]

This is a rather long gutloading study and the only one that actually has something of a recommendation for nutrient levels in a gutloading diet. This diet claims to be formulated by zoologist and entomologist. It also stresses appropriate feeding procedures for optimal gutloading just like in this study.

https://atrium.lib.uoguelph.ca/xmlu..._Lydia_2013_05_MSc.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

 

[Gryllidae Per Kcal]

Confirmed, Zukudla Cricket Max2 is the diet that was formulated in Attard's study.
https://www.inthehills.ca/2016/03/zoo-food/

 

[nightanole]

Very high in protein. Somehow is 7% calcium, which is impossible. D3 is fine. Vit A is through the roof.

I would not feed this to roaches...

As Petr Necas would argue with a passion, this is a true "gut load" to only be fed a few days before the victims get fed to the lizard

 

[Gryllidae Per Kcal]

Very high in protein. Somehow is 7% calcium, which is impossible. D3 is fine. Vit A is through the roof.

I would not feed this to roaches...

As Petr Necas would argue with a passion, this is a true "gut load" to only be fed a few days before the victims get fed to the lizard

What’s so impossible about the calcium levels?

And Petr Necas would be correct about it being a true gutload and according to the study it was formulated in, it’s able to keep vitamin A and D in the insect above minimum targeted nutrient levels For 4 days. The vitamin E was above maximum targeted levels.

I think this is a gutload you use if you really want to avoid dusting supplements. I’ve emailed their company about this and waiting for a reply.

NEKTON has a cricket diet that has slightly higher vitamin A levels. Around 60,000 IU/kg.

 

[Gryllidae Per Kcal]

Very high in protein. Somehow is 7% calcium, which is impossible. D3 is fine. Vit A is through the roof.

I would not feed this to roaches...

As Petr Necas would argue with a passion, this is a true "gut load" to only be fed a few days before the victims get fed to the lizard

It’s only 19% protein. That doesn’t sound high enough for me to be concerned, I’ve been feeding my roaches guinea pig food which is 18% protein.

 

[nightanole]

It’s only 19% protein. That doesn’t sound high enough for me to be concerned, I’ve been feeding my roaches guinea pig food which is 18% protein.

If the total diet of Mr roach is above about 15%, you will start experiencing die offs or just lack of roach production. Mr cricket loves protein, they are fine with even 25%. So it might be your 18% guinea food combined with veg, is perfectly fine.

 

[Gryllidae Per Kcal]

If the total diet of Mr roach is above about 15%, you will start experiencing die offs or just lack of roach production. Mr cricket loves protein, they are fine with even 25%. So it might be your 18% guinea food combined with veg, is perfectly fine.

Just contacted them and they’ll be sending me a free sample . I don’t think I’ll be using the guinea pig diet for maintenance anymore since this gutload covers such a broad range of nutrients.

 

[nightanole]

What’s so impossible about the calcium levels?

Its just an incorrect measurement. You can have a percentage of carbs/protien/fats. You cant really have that with a mineral/vitamin. So it boils down to 7% of what? Weight? Volume? To put it another way, if it was a wet gut load, it could still be 20% protein and 7% fat, but then what would the calcium be?

 

[Gryllidae Per Kcal]

Its just an incorrect measurement. You can have a percentage of carbs/protien/fats. You cant really have that with a mineral/vitamin. So it boils down to 7% of what? Weight? Volume? To put it another way, if it was a wet gut load, it could still be 20% protein and 7% fat, but then what would the calcium be?

I think the study I posted above might have the answer.

 

[nightanole]

Just contacted them and they’ll be sending me a free sample . I don’t think I’ll be using the guinea pig diet for maintenance anymore since this gutload covers such a broad range of nutrients.

Be careful, calcium is an insecticide. Thats why its a day before gut load. There is a reason "most" insects do not naturally have calcium.

 

[Gryllidae Per Kcal]

Be careful, calcium is an insecticide. Thats why its a day before gut load. There is a reason "most" insects do not naturally have calcium.

I’m going to feed it for 48 hours max. They told me that when used correctly the calcium to phosphorus ratio can be altered to 2.7:1. They also told me that this diet has been tested on mealworms and superworms, I’ll ask them about that later.

 

[Gryllidae Per Kcal]

Be careful, calcium is an insecticide. Thats why its a day before gut load. There is a reason "most" insects do not naturally have calcium.

I wanted to ask Lydia Attard about this diet too but I couldn’t reach her

 

[nightanole]

I think the study I posted above might have the answer.

Ill be honest, that is an incredibly hard read. By page 100 they were measuring omega 3 and omega 6 in percentage too. Its just over my head i guess. At least they listed the ingredients towards the end.

 

[Gryllidae Per Kcal]

@Kaizen I feel you would be interested in this considering you asked about a gutload that allows for no dusting in some other post. I think this is the same study that showed that the minimum nutrient targets were unknown for chameleons though.