Cute little lizard I picked up in Anaheim.

[Ryan Jarosek]

This is Beady. Look at that smile isn't it cute. It is a H. h. exasperatum. Just a baby born this spring.

for those who are curious.
http://www.helodermahorridum.com/beaded_lizard.php

 

[Kent67]

I want to kiss it.

 

[james L]

Whoa! Nice new lizard man!

 

[jessica]

That is crazy!! I thought "Oh wow that's a neat looking lizard" then I read the link!

 

[Chris Anderson]

What are the venomous permit requirements like in CA? Do you have to have a certain number of documented experience hours and a facility inspection like here in FL?

Chris

 

[Syn]

I'll let it bite me for a dollar + medical bills...

 

[Ryan Jarosek]

What are the venomous permit requirements like in CA? Do you have to have a certain number of documented experience hours and a facility inspection like here in FL?

Chris

Nothing is required here on Heloderma horridum as far as I know.

California:
Native Venomous: No permit required...possession limit is 2 of each species
Exotic Venomous: Permit required
Protected Native Venomous: None
California Department of Fish and Game
Wildlife Protection Division
1416 Ninth St.
Sacramento, CA 95814

 

[Chris Anderson]

So there aren't really any requirements for the exotic venomous permit (Heloderma horridum is not native to CA)? In Florida you are required to have 1000 hours of documented experience and an inspection of your facility.

Chris

 

[Ryan Jarosek]

So there aren't really any requirements for the exotic venomous permit (Heloderma horridum is not native to CA)? In Florida you are required to have 1000 hours of documented experience and an inspection of your facility.

Chris

This is the number one rule of the NARBC show.

1. Absolutely NO venomous: NO rear-fanged: NO surgically altered: NO venomous animals of any kind. Anyone that has a venomous animal (including off table selling, the parking lot, hotel or show building) will be prosecuted - it’s against the law to posses or sell venomous reptiles in California.

I personally watched the USFS guy check his booth and it was next to the promoters. There were two booths selling them. If are permit is required I would have to claim ignorance. I am unable to find anything that states a permit is required for a beaded lizard in California.

 

[Ryan Jarosek]

This is the number one rule of the NARBC show.

1. Absolutely NO venomous: NO rear-fanged: NO surgically altered: NO venomous animals of any kind. Anyone that has a venomous animal (including off table selling, the parking lot, hotel or show building) will be prosecuted - it’s against the law to posses or sell venomous reptiles in California.

I personally watched the USFS guy check his booth and it was next to the promoters. There were two booths selling them. If are permit is required I would have to claim ignorance. I am unable to find anything that states a permit is required for a beaded lizard in California.

lol and the #2 rule is 2. No wild caught reptiles. Captive bred or “quality” farm raised animals only. If we wouldn’t buy it, you won’t be allowed to sell it. You get the idea! This rule will be strictly enforced.

 

[Ryan Jarosek]

here is the list of reptilia that needs a permit in california. H. h is not on the list.

7) Class Reptilia-Reptiles​

(A) Order Crocodilia-Crocodiles, Caimans, Alligators and
Gavials All species (D).
(B) Family Chelyridae-Snapping Turtles-All species (D).
(C) Family Elapidae-Cobras, Coral Snakes, Mambas,
Kraits, etc. All species (D).
(D) Family Viperidae-Adders and Vipers
All species (D).
(E) Family Crotalidae-Pit Vipers
All species (D), except​

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Crotalus viridis​

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Crotalus atrox (Western
diamondback rattlesnake), Crotalus ruber (red diamondback
rattlesnake), Crotalus scutulatus (Mojave
rattlesnake), Crotalus mitchelli (Speckled rattlesnake)
and Crotalus cerastes (Sidewinder) not restricted.
(F) Family Colubridae-Colubrids
1. Dispholidus typus (Boomslang) (D).
2. Theoltornis kitlandii (Bird or vine snake) (D).
3. All species of genus Nerodia (watersnakes) (D).
(G) Family Helodermatidae
1. Heloderma suspectum suspectum​

(reticulate Gila monster) (D).

 

[Sporkthedork]

It's actually more complicated than that. Each species has some sort of state, county and city regulations (and of course federal regulations). Technically in CA, you can capture one or two native rattle snakes yourself and keep it in your possesion without the proper license or permit. However, the county of Los Angeles overall prohibit that. But there are some cities within Los Angeles that allows it. In San Bernardino, overall they are okay with capturing and keeping native rattle snakes in your possesn and few cities within San Bernardino that completely ban them. A very vague and general rule of thumb is the more civilized/populated the city/area is, the more likely they will ban keeping venomous species; the more rural the area is, the more likely the city/area will be lenient towards having them in your possession. Note that these laws state that the person in possession actually captures these native species themselves. Buying them requires special permits that usually researchers and educators can only get. I only know the laws and regulations concerning the rattle snake species because two of my friends personally have rattle snakes as pets and I was interested in getting one (I know, stupid idea), but the whole capturing it yourself pretty much killed that plan thankfully. Also if you want to keep more than two specimens of rattle snakes, you have to get 2 documents. One document (permit or license) to actually go out in the field to acquire the animals and take them out of their natural habitat. Another document (license or permit) to keep them in your possession.

I don't know the rules and regulations of that particular species, Heloderma horridum, but I would check with your local county and city regulations. Also if you live in a place with a HOA, you might want to keep that animal your personal secret.

 

[Ryan Jarosek]

I don't know the rules and regulations of that particular species, Heloderma horridum, but I would check with your local county and city regulations. Also if you live in a place with a HOA, you might want to keep that animal your personal secret.

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/licensing/pdffiles/fg1518.pdf

 

[Chris Anderson]

Ryan,

That list definitely seems to pretty clearly indicates that only H. s. suspectum requires a permit. I'm surprised but thats pretty cool. I wish I could keep H. horridum here without all the red tape! Nice looking animals.

Chris

 

[Ryan Jarosek]

I found that list after looking in my emails about the maddy hognoses I have with the person I purchased them from. I forgot I had it already. I guess some don't count???

 

[Ryan Jarosek]

My disclaimer

They really are amazing but there is definitely a level of risk involved. Its important to learn as much as you can about them if even considering them. Learn and use proper handling techniques. There is no antivenin for them. The last reported death was back in 1930. Most bites occur when someone carelessly provokes the animal.

They do not have fangs to deliver the venom. The bottom teeth have pockets that hold the venom and it has to be chewed into the prey item or you to get into the blood stream.

 

[Chuck67]

This is the number one rule of the NARBC show.

1. Absolutely NO venomous: NO rear-fanged: NO surgically altered: NO venomous animals of any kind. Anyone that has a venomous animal (including off table selling, the parking lot, hotel or show building) will be prosecuted - it’s against the law to posses or sell venomous reptiles in California.

I personally watched the USFS guy check his booth and it was next to the promoters. There were two booths selling them. If are permit is required I would have to claim ignorance. I am unable to find anything that states a permit is required for a beaded lizard in California.

No permits required for them in CA. Word of advice make sure your local hospital knows how to deal with gila bites as there is no antiivenom and bites are nasty.

PS.. As you know ignorance is no excuse for anything dealing with the law.


Chuck

 

[Chuck67]

My disclaimer

They really are amazing but there is definitely a level of risk involved. Its important to learn as much as you can about them if even considering them. Learn and use proper handling techniques. There is no antivenin for them. The last reported death was back in 1930. Most bites occur when someone carelessly provokes the animal.

They do not have fangs to deliver the venom. The bottom teeth have pockets that hold the venom and it has to be chewed into the prey item or you to get into the blood stream.

No chewing required envenmonation from a split second bite can occur. Extreme pain, vomiting then loss of bowel and bladder control all within minutes.

Chuck

 

[Ryan Jarosek]

No chewing required envenmonation from a split second bite can occur. Extreme pain, vomiting then loss of bowel and bladder control all within minutes.

Chuck

Hey Chuck , it would take some chewing to get enough into a human to kill them. That is what I was refering to. If you remove yourself from the bite quick enough you have more of a chance than you do with fangs.

 

[Ryan Jarosek]

PS.. As you know ignorance is no excuse for anything dealing with the law.

Hey chuck pretty obvious don't you think.