*Desperately Need Help* Sunken Eye, Not Eating!

chamcouple

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This is my first chameleon, I recently moved (3 months ago) and ever since the move things have been going wrong. Here's the basic info

Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon - Male Panther Chameleon, about a year old in my care for 8 months
Handling - Before the move about once a day, after the move once a month (he wont let me)
Feeding - Feeding crickets, about 10-15 a day (although he does seem to eat at all unless I hand feed and still its hit and miss), they are gutloaded with Rapashys bug burger.
Supplements - I dust with Repashys calcium plus every feeding, which says its a vitamin and calcium supplement
Watering - I have an aquazamp mister set for 5 minutes, 3 times a day.
Fecal Description - Hasn't pooped in probably a week, this is a kammerflage chamleon so i'm assuming no parasites exist? Chameleon has never been to the vet, as there are no reptile vets around, or at least any that seem to know much.
History - Before the move he was in a closet with that I had removed the doors on. So his cage was surrounded on 3 sides with the front facing out into the room. My room door was always shut so for whatever reason my room was always way hotter than the rest of the house ( 75-80 degrees). The humidity was around 60-70% too and that was without misting. I used to work from home so I was able to come in and check on him every couple of hours and hand mist his cage (back then i didn't have the aquazamp). Now I Live in an apartment and no longer have a closet to use so I struggle to keep the temps at 75 degrees (poorly sealed windows and doors). The humidity is ridiculously low around 30%. The one big change regarding his cage was that in order to fit it into my vehicle I had to take the cage apart, so upon reassembly all the branches and vines were in new places which I think may have threw him off. Also seeing as his cage was in a closet I was able to keep a large majority of light from coming into his cage when he slept. Now he is in a larger room and I put a sheet on top of his cage, when I peak in at night he is still awake.

Cage Info:
Cage Type - All screen cage, (panther palace from kammerflage). 40” high x 18” deep x 34” wide
Lighting - I used some live plants so hanging above everything is a 4, 2' T5 lighting fixture (grow light), I have a 100 watt heat lamp above his basking spot, A 2' UVB light (not sure of brand, came with the panther palace), and I recently bought a 100 watt red heat lamp to help with cage temperatures at night. Lights are on for 12 hours off 12 hours, With the exception of the red heat lamp.
Temperature - Basking spot is about 90 degrees, overall room temperature is typically about 75 degrees, but seeing as his cage is located between two windows I fear there may be a draft of cold air. I have sealed both windows with that plastic wrap in hope to eliminate the issue. There was one occasion where the night temperature dropped to 67 degrees by accident but I keep the apartment at 75 degrees night and day. I measure the temps with a simple round thermometer.
Humidity - Current humidity levels are 30%! NEED HELP, I have no idea how to raise the humidity seeing as the cage is in a large room. I measure it by the hygrometer that once again came with the panther palace (simple round thing that Velcros to the side of the cage, looks like the thermometer)
Plants - I have some live plants that were just recently put in, the problem occurred before putting in the plants. I have 2 begonias, one umbrella plant (not in the best shape) and 1 tiny little fern, and 1 ficus or fig, not sure which one.
Placement - The cage sits caddy corner between two windows. Next to our front door. No fans, not sure about air vents though. The top of the cage is about 5-6 feet from the floor.
Location - Columbus, Ohio

Current Problem - Chameleon has developed a sunken eye and keeps that eye shut occasionally. This has been going on for about a month. He also doesn't seem to eat much anymore since we moved. So he doesn't poop often at all, once every week in a half or so it seems unless its falling in the dirt of the plants. I feel horrible and want to do whatever it takes to get him feeling better. I don't see any discharge or anything of the like. This is probably horrible but some crickets stay in his cage overnight due to them hiding in the foliage or him not eating them. I would like to avoid going to he vet just so I can hear what I already know, so any advice would be GREATLY appreciated. IS there a better way to configure the lights? the top of his cage is a jumbled mess it seems which means its hard to block the street lights outside while he sleeps (I don't know if that disturbs him). I think this is normal but he paws at the top of the cage sometimes like he wish he could go higher. At my old house I had a fake tree to I would place in front of his cage and connect it by a fake vine/branch that way he could leave his cage and hang out on the tree. He seemed to love it! Now When I tired it at my apartment his is very hesitant and wont go. The one time he did happen to make his way out he climbed to the bottom of the tree, jump off the fake tree pot (6" high) and wandered all the way to the side table sitting next to my couch. Which means he would have spent quite a bit of time on the floor and it was my understanding that if chameleons spend a lot of time on the ground there is an underlying problem?

If you need more pictures I can post more!
 

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Here are some more pictures. I just realized something I left out that I think may be the cause. When I had first moved my UVB tube fixture wasnt working so I didnt use it for about 2 months. I figured the T5 fixture would suffice. So basically my chameleon went without UVB for 2 months! I have since fixed the issue and have had this light running for about 2-3 weeks now. Did I permanently damage him?!?! The pictures are of his normal chilling spot, his basking spot, the hygrometer, the horrible umbrella plant, and this bulb I picked up at a local pet store with the thought of trying to give him more UVB light. Barely any natural sunlight hits his cage if any. Of course the bulb was broken so I have not used it yet. Another side note is the when the picture of the hygrometer was taken the red night heat lamp was on so maybe that was effecting its reading? I have since turned the light out.
 

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I am not sure what you mean by not going to a vet "to hear what you already know"? What do you know? I am confused. Obviously your chameleon has had something wrong with its eyes for over a month and needs to be addressed. Just because you do not see an obvious infection, does not mean there cannot be one present deep inside the eye. Have you tried flushing out the eye with saline? There could be something stuck in it. If that does not work, I think you have no choice but see a vet and have him examined and evaluated. Where are you located? We should be able to help you find a vet. As far as parasites, just because he came from Kammers 8 months ago and was parasite free(most likely) does not mean he has not developed any since then. If he does poop, save it and put it on a wet paper towel and store it in the fridge so you can have it tested at a vet. A humidifer can help with humidity. Also, no red light at night. Unless your temps are going below 50 not heat and if so, get a ceramic heat emitter to screw into your dome that does not emit light instead of the red bulb.
 
well from what I've read on the forums it seems that a vet with no specialty in chameleons say things like, "well his eye is messed up" and that's it (I'm probably completely wrong). Honestly I don't know anything other than his eye is messed up and he doesn't seem to want to eat. I live in Columbus, Ohio. If there was a specialty reptile vet around I would be willing to take him there, I just haven't found one that seems qualified (I'm new to this). I have not tried flushing out his eye with a saline solution, how would I go about doing this? He never lets me hold him anymore so it's difficult to get him out, is there a way to lure him out? Or do you just have to take control and force him out? I will discontinue use of the red light, I've only used it 2 nights. I've read that it's important that chameleons light schedules be 12/12. How important is it to block out all light at night? If it is imperative how can I go about doing this? If I place a sheet completely on top of the cage then the lights turn on before i wake up which I'm sure would be some sort of fire hazard? Thank you for the quick respsonse
 
Yes, you can cover the cage, but I can vouch for it being a hazard if your lights on on a timer. I had a sheet over the cage and did not wake up in time and I walked into the sheet burning! Not actually on fire but a big hole in it. From what I have learned they have a "third eye" on top of their head which senses light, so even if they close their eyes and try to sleep it can still keep disrupt their sleep. Like I said, unless your house is extremely cold, you don't need any heat. Where they originate from in Madagascar, their temps are far colder at night outside than they are in our homes. If you can provide darkness. it is best. Jann B, one of our members had a chameleon that had chronic eye problems and her vet actually had to remove the eye. Maybe shoot her a pm and get her opinion. They can live with one eye, but will not be able to aim at their food properly, so will have to be hand fed. Parasites can cause that also, but not saying that is the case here. If you search, I think in the health clinic there is a link for vets in the country. You might want to start a thread, stating where you live and if anyone knows a good reptile vet in your area. There are members on here from Ohio, but I don't know how close to you. As far as the saline, I mean you could try, but I don't know at this stage if it will help. The eye looks very deflated, but I am not a vet, thefore cannot tell you if it can be saved or not.
 
Thats good news, I feared maybe the lack of UVB was the problem and was trying to compensate. Lately he seems to have his eye open more often but its still sunken in. I know your supposed to remove any uneaten crickets at night, could this be causing him stress if there are still some left over? the only way I know how to get them out is to vacuum them out which renders them useless afterwards. I'm only 23 so I don't have tons of disposable income to spend (which is why i made the statement about the vet, I know its impossible to tell but If i spend the money I would hope it would be a guaranteed fix), on buying crickets that are not being eaten. I the saline solution just a normal solution a human would use? Would I just put a couple drops in the eye? Also should the 125 watt mercury vapor bulb be returned seeing as light or heat doesn't seem to be an issue? Sorry for all the questions, I just want my chameleon to be ok.
 
You don't need a light on your cage at night. A night time temp drop is actually good. So, if your temp isn't dropping below 60 at night i would definitely loose the night light. Also if you're having trouble with humidity cover 2 sides and mist more often, i do 5 mistings per day i just lengthen their duration in the winter to aid with the humidity. When was the last time you changed your uvb bulb?

Scott
 
Thanks for the reply Scott. I have never changed the UVB tube so it's probably about 8 months old I would guess. It may be a vague question but what would you recommend covering the sides of the cage with? How would I attach the material to the cage? My biggest problem with misting is that my drip pan fills up so fast. If your misting 5 times a day how long do you mist for? How do you drain? Currently I drain my drip pan once every other day by sucking the water out with a shop vac. Any easy way? I've read some of the other threads regarding draining and really like the idea of utilizing a utility sink and having it drain into a 5 gallon bucket but that set up seems rather expensive?
 
I'm am sorry to hear that your little man is not eating and closing one of his eyes. Eye issues seems to be quite common with chameleon. I've had several chameleons with eye issues. I have/had two with weak eye muscles and their eye appears a bit sunken in and sometimes they close/closed it. My vet said more than likely it was a genetic thing. He did say I could try exercising the eye muscle by holding up a bug and moving it arround so her eye would follow the bug. I tried this for awhile but really didn't see any change. I had another Cham that had an eye injury when he was 3 months old. Not sure what the injury was but eventually his eye ball poked way-out and my vet had to amputate the eye ball. He got around great with only one eye and lived to be an old man. I did have to hand feed him but I thoroughly enjoyed caring for him. They often have a problem shooting their food correctly with only one eye. My boy would shoot way to the left of the feeder. They can also have tongue issues when their supplements are not correct.

There is a excellent chameleon vet in Ohio. There's a senior member here that goes there quite regular. I'll PM you her info and she even said if you can get him to her she will take him to the vet for you on Friday or she can share her vet info if you'd like to take him. Chameleons can have parasites regardless of where they come from. They get parasites from the feeders they eat. I highly recommend a fecal several times a year.
 
Thank you Jann for the info! I figured maybe it was something regarding the move the stressed him out causing the eye issues. SO it may be genetic? As far a supplements go, I was following the instructions from kammerflage kreations, using the repashy calcium every feeding. Is this correct? I would love more info on the vet in Ohio! I'm in Columbus, so i'm pretty much in the middle of the state! I would love it if you could pm me the info! I don't know if its relevant but i get my crickets shipped from Armstrong crickets. I've tried switching up his feeders as a treat and tried to give him mealworms once but he only ate a few, I don't think he knew what to do with them! Thank you so much for all the info!
 
I had a similar issue with my cham.... Eye saggy, sunken in, and wouldn't keep them open....

Turned out to be a vitamin A deficiency..... So now I give vitamin A once a month..... Haven't had an issue since......

WARNING

TO MUCH VIT A CAN KILL YOUR CHAM...........

I was told by my VET how much to dose.
 
Paul where do you get your vitamin A? is it a pill or a dusting powder? I'm sure the dosages vary but how much did your doctor recommend? Thanks for the info!
 
Be very very careful with Vit A, it is highly toxic.

I had an issue with my Panther bulging his eyes and rubbing them on branches a few months ago. My breeder gave me some Vit A powder and advised me to dust ONE feeder insect once a week with it.
 
sorry so long in posting the pic of the table we spoke of - any ?'s you can call me or PM ( lol - don't look at the mess under it :eek: I am making egg bins ) - your "snack pack" of bugs will be in the mail on Tue AM :D let me know what ones he likes, and we can get you set up so you can order more from the sponsors or the Col/ show - I am sure he will like a few of the bugs anyway ;) we will get your little guy eating again :)
 

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I saw that you have a light fixture and two domes. You only need UVB and heat, what is the third light for?

I only ask because sometimes if chameleons are exposed to too much light they will close their eyes. This may be a possibility.
 
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