Edit: Its coccidia
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I'm just saying you can start with hot soapy water for now until you can get the peroxide. Start reducing the contamination in your viv during treatment when the meds in his/her system will prevent reinfection and then be sure to hit the cage hard shortly before treatments ends to wipe out the remainder. The timing will depend on the treatment. I agree with jannb ponazuril is a far better option than Albon. There is another option but I have not tried it yet it is in the same family as ponazuril.
If you have the option do repeated cleanings with the peroxide weekly thru the treatments. That would be best practice.
If you have the option do repeated cleanings with the peroxide weekly thru the treatments. That would be best practice.
Ares05
Chameleon Enthusiast
Okay. So what ive done is I cleaned everything with the hot soapy water, I will get the peroxide asap. I put all but a few of his branches back, but not in the same place as I didn't see the point if I was just going to tear it down next week. I put his fake plants in there, hopefully he doesn't eat them.
JoXie411
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That’s what I used when my guy had it. I stripped the whole cage, then I put it in a bin that was big enough to fit the cage, then you add boiling water with the
yall really use the same stuff I use to bleach my hair??? Wow so weirdI spot cleaned and still do with the 40% peroxide from Sally’s. Treated my guy earlier this year with Ponazuril, (I demanded it lol) worked really well with no side effects. This group will help you through everything
snitz427
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I think if you had trace amounts of dish soap it would be ok. They use dawn on wildlife so it is generally mild. I think if its ingested it can cause a mild laxative effect in humans and pets, and obviously soap in the eye can burn... but its unlikely there is enough left to cause either if you rinsed well.
Mawtyplant
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Coccidia :/ well I hope you are a patient person!
So what type of coccidia? I mean.. Cryptosporidium is sometime categorized a coccidia and this is wayyyyyyyyy much so much way more work (aka impossible). Knowing the specific species can help you to fight.
So! This is not an impossible challenge but make yourself sure you test your beards too because if you dont eradicate all source of this this problem will come back over and over.
1)do you have two cages? it can seem drastic but if yeah your life might be a little bit easier If you have two cage set the cage with almost nothing in (couples of outdoor branches if you want you can add some ugly plastic plants.. anyway.. two ugly cages (or one.. but two is better because you can wash one every day/2day/day after poop)
2)feed him less if he can handle a partial restrictive diet
3)give Manuka honey (immunity system might need a little kick to fight against this
4)every time he poop, drop the outdoor branches outdoor and grand new branches (if possible), dispose of the poop and clean everything possibly in contact with. Dont let any free ranges insect with him because they will visit the poop and contamination cycle will restart
5)(why the second cage) when you clean up the first cage, put him in the second, then leave the first cages outside till the next cleanup (UVB, irradiation from direct sunlight can help to kill them too) so that way every time he poop you clean up the place!
6) this should be on top.. but buy a microscope with 400x magnification, fecalsol and fecal test kit (available on amazon) and track down every poop or every two poop (its good to know medication effective or not.. you dont want to clean up for nothing for the rest of your life.. it might seem expensive but at the end this turn out to be really cheap..
7)All your plants are now ornemental plants for 6 months
8)give Manuka honey (immunity system might need a little kick to fight against this
I think thats it for now.. my Jackson is now cristal clear so this work.. depending on the medication you will use it can success or not I know baycox (toltrazuryl) work ok but I ear some pitfall about this. I used a combo of sulfatrim and baycox (+ all the stuff I mentioned + my Jackson was housed outside 24/7)
Good luck! (microscope part is probably one of the most important part.. it need lot of test to make yourself sure fécal is clean and I dont think you are ready to bring pop to the vet 10-12 times also fresh poop is alway more accurate! DIY dont hesitate if you have question!
So what type of coccidia? I mean.. Cryptosporidium is sometime categorized a coccidia and this is wayyyyyyyyy much so much way more work (aka impossible). Knowing the specific species can help you to fight.
So! This is not an impossible challenge but make yourself sure you test your beards too because if you dont eradicate all source of this this problem will come back over and over.
1)do you have two cages? it can seem drastic but if yeah your life might be a little bit easier
If you have two cage set the cage with almost nothing in (couples of outdoor branches if you want you can add some ugly plastic plants.. anyway.. two ugly cages (or one.. but two is better because you can wash one every day/2day/day after poop)2)feed him less if he can handle a partial restrictive diet
3)give Manuka honey (immunity system might need a little kick to fight against this
4)every time he poop, drop the outdoor branches outdoor and grand new branches (if possible), dispose of the poop and clean everything possibly in contact with. Dont let any free ranges insect with him because they will visit the poop and contamination cycle will restart
5)(why the second cage) when you clean up the first cage, put him in the second, then leave the first cages outside till the next cleanup (UVB, irradiation from direct sunlight can help to kill them too) so that way every time he poop you clean up the place!
6) this should be on top..
but buy a microscope with 400x magnification, fecalsol and fecal test kit (available on amazon) and track down every poop or every two poop (its good to know medication effective or not.. you dont want to clean up for nothing for the rest of your life.. it might seem expensive but at the end this turn out to be really cheap.. 7)All your plants are now ornemental plants for 6 months
8)give Manuka honey (immunity system might need a little kick to fight against this
I think thats it for now.. my Jackson is now cristal clear so this work.. depending on the medication you will use it can success or not I know baycox (toltrazuryl) work ok but I ear some pitfall about this. I used a combo of sulfatrim and baycox (+ all the stuff I mentioned + my Jackson was housed outside 24/7)
Good luck! (microscope part is probably one of the most important part.. it need lot of test to make yourself sure fécal is clean and I dont think you are ready to bring pop to the vet 10-12 times
also fresh poop is alway more accurate! DIY dont hesitate if you have question!
Ares05
Chameleon Enthusiast
Okay. One of my beardies got off of his parasites medicine about 2 1/2 months ago. My youngest beardie has never been tested. I will get him tested soon as I can, but I know my older beardie is clear.
I don't think im going to go off a buy an expensive microscope at this very moment.
I thought the fecal schedule was you take it in once, then you do treatment, then you take it in after treatment, and then another one after that one a couple weeks after?
I don't think im going to go off a buy an expensive microscope at this very moment.
I thought the fecal schedule was you take it in once, then you do treatment, then you take it in after treatment, and then another one after that one a couple weeks after?
jamest0o0
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If you're treating one, but not another, then there is a good chance it's going to jump back to them. I'd honestly just clear all equipment/cages out(set it outside out of the way) and set up hospital cages for all your animals if you can. Lots of hand washing/sanitizing/disposables/etc. Be aware of cross contamination. Definitely not a parasite to play around with. Great info people have given already. Good luck, keep us posted
Ares05
Chameleon Enthusiast
im afraid I cant do that, but ill thoroughly clean everyones cages today. When I get the peroxide, ill sanitize amaro's cage again along with everyone else. The only one in the reptile room that hasn't been tested is my young beardie I got 5 months ago. I will be sure to get him tested, if he's clear, I don't know where amaro got it.
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Mawtyplant
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No need an expensive one
I got two here.. one was almost free because some school sometime get rid of their old microscope and the other was around 100$ since fecal are around 30$ here.. i probably saved 4000$ so far (got loooot of chameleons here lol)
It is 40 volume hair peroxide. That is what your getting in the liquid not the cream formula. There are many brands but you can get the off brand. Call the Sally's near you and see if they are a beauty supply that unlicensed people can buy from. I did not have one near me and every salon I went to would not sell to me so I had to order off Amazon. This is what I bought https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00TP1IZDE/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I did not get to continue treating Bahari since he got so sick and went downhill so fast. He had a very high parasite load. But with Beman they had me run fecals every month for 3 months. So every 4 weeks to ensure that he did not get it from Bahari. His came back negative but I still did the full process of time with fecals every 4 weeks. So I got a total of 5 fecals on him in a 4 month period I believe it was.
Amaro could have gotten it from the beardies, or feeders from the petstore, or had it before you got him. There really is no way to know now since it has been a while since you got him but I would get the other beardie tested. The way it was explained to me is that they carry it in low numbers and it doesn't effect them. So often Beardies are not treated unless they are carrying a high parasite load. But then with Chameleons well it is a different situation. They too can have it and then you take something stressful and it lowers the immune system then in turn providing the coccidia the environment to go into overdrive in their bodies. So it is not left untreated in chameleons due to the risk since they can stress easily. There are other side effects when left untreated in chams... not eating as much, smaller in size, and not as active.
You have a lot of people giving you great feedback. I know this is freaking you out. Just take it step by step. Wash your hands between everything and remember to breathe. This is something that can be treated and chams come out of happy and healthy.
I did not get to continue treating Bahari since he got so sick and went downhill so fast. He had a very high parasite load. But with Beman they had me run fecals every month for 3 months. So every 4 weeks to ensure that he did not get it from Bahari. His came back negative but I still did the full process of time with fecals every 4 weeks. So I got a total of 5 fecals on him in a 4 month period I believe it was.
Amaro could have gotten it from the beardies, or feeders from the petstore, or had it before you got him. There really is no way to know now since it has been a while since you got him but I would get the other beardie tested. The way it was explained to me is that they carry it in low numbers and it doesn't effect them. So often Beardies are not treated unless they are carrying a high parasite load. But then with Chameleons well it is a different situation. They too can have it and then you take something stressful and it lowers the immune system then in turn providing the coccidia the environment to go into overdrive in their bodies. So it is not left untreated in chameleons due to the risk since they can stress easily. There are other side effects when left untreated in chams... not eating as much, smaller in size, and not as active.
You have a lot of people giving you great feedback. I know this is freaking you out. Just take it step by step. Wash your hands between everything and remember to breathe. This is something that can be treated and chams come out of happy and healthy.
