Female Panther Chameleon - Fat or Gravid?

[David A.]

So, I have the sweetest Chameleon in the world, her name is Diantha. I adopted her from a lady on Craigslist about six months ago. Overall, she's doing amazingly well. She doesn't have her claws so she can be a bit clumsy and has taken her fair share of tumbles. Hence the netting. I cringe when I hear her plop to the ground, I know that Chameleons in general don't fall often but like I said. She's missing her claws and she decides to get herself into situations where she really doesn't have much room to maneuver. Anyways, a couple of experienced and very knowledgeable Chameleon owners/breeders noticed some lumps by her hind legs and said they were eggs on her.

I just want everybody's opinion because I was thinking that they may be fatty deposits or something else entirely. The lumps are fleshy and in the last couple of days maybe they've gone down. I don't know. I've slowed down her food a little bit but she still eats like a pig, drinks well, very tolerant and mobile. Has never shown any interest in laying. She has a potted hibiscus tree as well as a laybin that she never goes near. Lol

I covered her enclosure for a couple of days but it made no difference so I uncovered it.

Her weight the last three Saturdays are as follows: 82 grams, 90 grams, 91 grams.

THOUGHTS?

 

[David A.]

Anybody?

 

[Haileybug]

Hi! Are you new to chameleon owning ? Has she been with a mate ? Fun fact females can hold sperm for over two years and fertilize their eggs the bumps could be early mbd starting or when she falls she's spraining or breaking bones or joints if she doesn't have claws to hold on try putting cushion at the bottom so when she falls it's not hard do you think she's about to go into brunation ?

 

[Haileybug]

When they get ready for brunation they eat and eat and drink to fatten for the dormant period

 

[Haileybug]

Brumation

 

[Haileybug]

She might be eating a lot Bc she's obvulating but you don't have a mate do you ?

 

[Haileybug]

You haven't noticed her digging or anythng ?

 

[kimmytheriault]

@Haileybug have you ever had a panther chameleon before? or even a chameleon that laid eggs? i do remembered your last chameleon that had MBD may or may not have been eggbound when she died. i'm not trying to troll you, but i just don't think you giving this guy information is the best thing.

I, like you, am a novice (at best) chameleon keeper and I come to the forum to LEARN not to offer advice, because frankly, the advice I could give could potentially be wrong and I do NOT want to have anyone take my words to heart and potentially turn my (bad) "advice" into action and then end up with an animal that is declining worse. And, if that animal died, due to my shotty advice I would feel awful. I'm not trying to troll you, or be rude, but I TRULY think it is best if you stop giving advice, especially on matters you don't know much about, and species you have never even owned SUCCESSFULLY - and that is the key word there.

I, as I said, am a novice, and so when I use the forum I read, learn, make small talk, and improve my chameleon's life by learning from the wealth of knowledge here - maybe you should slowly learn to do the same. And that isn't a personal attack, at all, but merely me wanting the chameleon's that are in the care of concerned owners to get the BEST possible advice from the MOST experienced keepers of their species.

@David A. I'm sorry I cannot be of more help to you - as I have never owned a panther chameleon, or a female at that. I am going to tag a few people who are avid members of this forum who know a lot about chameleon's and, if panther's are not their forte, I do believe they will at least be able to point you in the right direction. @jajeanpierre @jannb @Nursemaia - I'm sorry to call all of you out, as we don't even really know eachother, but I am hoping one of you can offer this poor guy some sound advice. Thanks so much. (And I am sorry to get you involved in something you potentially don't want to be involved in - my apologies if so.)

 

[brownie64]

She could be gravid from looking at that first pic, but the other ones not so sure. Try digging her some holes and cover her back up see if this works. Sometimes you can get results this way. Good luck.

 

[jajeanpierre]

Do you mean the bulges inside her belly but near her pelvis in the first and the last picture?

Are they soft? I think those are developing eggs that haven't been calcified yet. That's what I've always believed to be the case when I have seen this in my females. Sometimes after laying a clutch, a female will have soft lumps/swellings that look like eggs but aren't. I think it is just fluid as everything gets back to normal after laying eggs.

 

[Nursemaia]

In the last pic she does look gravid, she's quite round there. Can you fill out the how to ask for help form please so we can assess your husbandry. That will give us a better idea of what's going on.

https://www.chameleonforums.com/threads/how-to-ask-for-help.66/

 

[marley patches]

@Haileybug have you ever had a panther chameleon before? or even a chameleon that laid eggs? i do remembered your last chameleon that had MBD may or may not have been eggbound when she died. i'm not trying to troll you, but i just don't think you giving this guy information is the best thing.

I, like you, am a novice (at best) chameleon keeper and I come to the forum to LEARN not to offer advice, because frankly, the advice I could give could potentially be wrong and I do NOT want to have anyone take my words to heart and potentially turn my (bad) "advice" into action and then end up with an animal that is declining worse. And, if that animal died, due to my shotty advice I would feel awful. I'm not trying to troll you, or be rude, but I TRULY think it is best if you stop giving advice, especially on matters you don't know much about, and species you have never even owned SUCCESSFULLY - and that is the key word there.

I, as I said, am a novice, and so when I use the forum I read, learn, make small talk, and improve my chameleon's life by learning from the wealth of knowledge here - maybe you should slowly learn to do the same. And that isn't a personal attack, at all, but merely me wanting the chameleon's that are in the care of concerned owners to get the BEST possible advice from the MOST experienced keepers of their species.

@David A. I'm sorry I cannot be of more help to you - as I have never owned a panther chameleon, or a female at that. I am going to tag a few people who are avid members of this forum who know a lot about chameleon's and, if panther's are not their forte, I do believe they will at least be able to point you in the right direction. @jajeanpierre @jannb @Nursemaia - I'm sorry to call all of you out, as we don't even really know eachother, but I am hoping one of you can offer this poor guy some sound advice. Thanks so much. (And I am sorry to get you involved in something you potentially don't want to be involved in - my apologies if so.)

I understand about different advice from members , 2 different advice from different members, I tend to wait on some subjects to see how many different comments and at the end make a choice to try one LOL

 

[Haileybug]

@Haileybug have you ever had a panther chameleon before? or even a chameleon that laid eggs? i do remembered your last chameleon that had MBD may or may not have been eggbound when she died. i'm not trying to troll you, but i just don't think you giving this guy information is the best thing.

I, like you, am a novice (at best) chameleon keeper and I come to the forum to LEARN not to offer advice, because frankly, the advice I could give could potentially be wrong and I do NOT want to have anyone take my words to heart and potentially turn my (bad) "advice" into action and then end up with an animal that is declining worse. And, if that animal died, due to my shotty advice I would feel awful. I'm not trying to troll you, or be rude, but I TRULY think it is best if you stop giving advice, especially on matters you don't know much about, and species you have never even owned SUCCESSFULLY - and that is the key word there.

I, as I said, am a novice, and so when I use the forum I read, learn, make small talk, and improve my chameleon's life by learning from the wealth of knowledge here - maybe you should slowly learn to do the same. And that isn't a personal attack, at all, but merely me wanting the chameleon's that are in the care of concerned owners to get the BEST possible advice from the MOST experienced keepers of their species.

@David A. I'm sorry I cannot be of more help to you - as I have never owned a panther chameleon, or a female at that. I am going to tag a few people who are avid members of this forum who know a lot about chameleon's and, if panther's are not their forte, I do believe they will at least be able to point you in the right direction. @jajeanpierre @jannb @Nursemaia - I'm sorry to call all of you out, as we don't even really know eachother, but I am hoping one of you can offer this poor guy some sound advice. Thanks so much. (And I am sorry to get you involved in something you potentially don't want to be involved in - my apologies if so.)

No I haven't owned a panther I have a veiled whom passed of mbd correct and a Jacksons I was just trying to give him different advice on what it could be other than being gravid which is why. I wrote about brumation and that the females can hold sperm from they're previous or multi mates though 2 years and fertilize their own eggs

 

[Nursemaia]

Chameleons don't go into brumation. So as many other people on here have suggested to you @Haileybug you shouldn't be giving out advice. You need to learn more about chameleons 1st

 

[KapitalJ]

Chameleons don't go into brumation. So as many other people on here have suggested to you @Haileybug you shouldn't be giving out advice. You need to learn more about chameleons 1st

Or as others have mentioned @Haileybug state your post as an opinion, or "I'm no expert but here's what I think" type of thing. You should also try to proof read before posting. Everyone makes mistakes and has typos, but you can at least try.

 

[David A.]

Chameleon Info:

• Your Chameleon - Female Panther Chameleon, unsure of exact age. Around two years. I've had her since last December.
• Handling - Relatively often, a few times a week. At least on Saturdays so she can get weighed.
• Feeding - I feed primarily Dubia Roaches mixed in with crickets and super worms. Occasional butter worm. I gutload the feeders with Repashy Superload. She eats everyday, usually 3-5 dubia roaches with a couple of crickets and a worm if I'm feeling like it
• Supplements - 4 times a week. Repashy Calcium PLus
• Watering - Monsoon RS400, if she's thirsty in the morning she'll drink straight from the bottle
• Fecal Description - Never been tested, however her urates are white and her poo is a normal brown color
• History - I have absolutely no idea if she ever laid eggs, the previous owner didn't mention it. She does have a tendency to fall lol

Cage Info:

• Cage Type - 18 by 18 by 36 reptibreeze
• Lighting - Linear t8 10.0 UVB, regular house bulb for heat.
• Temperature - Basking spot is around 83. Mid 70's lower in the cage. Never gets below 68 overnight. Measure with digital thermometers
• Humidity - Measure with a hygrometer, humidity is between 60 and 70 percent typically and shoots up when the Monsoon mists. I have a bunch of fish tanks in the room so the relative humidity is usually 40-50 percent across the room haha
• Plants - A hibiscus tree
• Placement - Probably 44 inches from the top of the cage to the ground, it's in the corner of the room. No real drafts or anything.
• Location - Southern NH

 

[David A.]

Oh and her weight this Saturday was 92 grams. Still no changes in anything else though

 

[Chamycon2016]

Gout?

 

[Nursemaia]

I think her basking temp is a little bit too low. I'd raise it a few degrees. If she's not warm enough it can make egg production and laying difficult.
Otherwise husbandry is pretty good. I'm not familiar with the Calcium Plus so I can't really comment on that. I do know other people use it, I just don't know their schedule.

 

[David A.]

I think her basking temp is a little bit too low. I'd raise it a few degrees. If she's not warm enough it can make egg production and laying difficult.
Otherwise husbandry is pretty good. I'm not familiar with the Calcium Plus so I can't really comment on that. I do know other people use it, I just don't know their schedule.

I moved the bulb closer to the basking spot so we'll check the temp in a few hours