Help Please with a rescue Chameleon

Reptilemom7

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Hi Everyone :),

I am new to the site and chameleons, but not herps. Last night I rescued a veiled chameleon with severe MBD. I know his recovery will be long and intensive. My first beardie baby had MBD so I am familiar with those treatments. My main concern are his hepepines (sexual organs). When I picked him up they were out. :eek: After a good warm soak last night and a little tlc they went back in. Unfortunately, they were out again today. :( I will post pics tomorrow, because I have to work late tonight. I will try to be as brief as possible, but I also want to give you the full scope. Please look below for preliminary information. I will be very grateful for any and all assistance you can offer. I know Leo will be too! Thank you in advance! :)

Chameleon Info:

Your Chameleon - Veiled Chameleon, male, age is unknown, but not a baby. He has been in my care one evening.
Handling - I have handled him a little last night and during the day today.
Feeding - I have fed him three small dubias and four reptiworms all with calcium powder (repcal). I plan on once per day to see how he does with that. He is not able to shoot feeders so I am putting feeders in his mouth and then he chews. Reptiworms are gut loaded with babyfood and veg. Dubia are gut loaded with veg, fruit, and dry staple.
Supplements - The brand of calcium is Repcal, he will get this every day at every feeding until his symptoms improve. I also gave him a drop of Reptaid to help his immune system. He was also given two drops of liquid calcium to help with his MBD.
Watering - I have misted his cage well this morning. I will be doing it again tonight. My plan is twice a day and to set up an auto drip system. I did not see him drinking. With his soak last night I did dribble some water on his snout and he drank alot! I have not seen him drink from the leaves. I did mist him and he drank a little this morning that way as well.
Fecal Description - Unknown. He has not been tested for parasites, yet.
History - Ok, so here is what I heard from the previous owners. He was first owned by a couple who kept him without UVB for awhile. :mad: I am unsure how long. Then the he was purchased and given as a gift. The well meaning new owners tried to help, but as we know Chams can be difficult. They ended up doing hand feeding. I will try to get more details from them over the next few days. They also purchased a uvb light reptisun 5.0 for on top of the screened viv. They also had a coil uvb for outside the viv pointed at him. They gave me all his stuff, including powder (Repcal) and liquid calcium (Zilla), liquid multivitamin by (Zilla), his lights (there was a cover over the uvb tube light I took it off so he could benefit from the full ray), screen cage decent size (I am going to modify it tomorrow to make it easier for him. He is too weak and sick to climb high. I don't want him to hurt himself more), plastic plants, reptile carpet, natural limbs, and a herp hammock.


Cage Info:

Cage Type - I will give full description after modification tomorrow.
Lighting - Reptisun 5.0 tropical, power sun (which is very far away and needs to be changed). I will have his lights on a schedule of 12 on 12 off.
Temperature and humidity - Temps and humidity will be measured with probe. Right now the dial kind are attached and I know those are not reliable. Temp when I left were at 90 at basking area (which he is not currently using), humidity at 50%.
Plants - No current live plants yet, but yes in the future.
Placement - Cage is located about 2' off the floor not near any vents or fans. The cage is between a book case and long curio cabinet. I can give measurements tomorrow.
Location - I am located in Fort Worth Texas.

Current Problem - The current problem and immediate concern is his hepeines being out and how to help with that issue. Any additional help with the MBD is very welcome. I did get him in the sun for about 30 minutes this morning which always helps! Thank you again for any and all help you can provide. :)
 
You can try soaking him in cold water, some people add sugar, to help reduce any potential inflammation that may be causing them to pop out. I would also suggest getting some KY Jelly or other water based "personal" lubricant and coat his exposed hemepenes to prevent them from drying out. It's a good sign that he can retract them. Maybe will some good care, he can recover.

Lack of calcium also affects muscle control, so (I'm not a vet, so this is a complete guess on my part) maybe he could be having issues with the muscles that hold the hemepenes in place. I'm sure it's affecting his tongue function.

Have you taken him to a very for a shoot of calcium? If his MBD is really that severe, injections are the best way to help reintroduce calcium into his system in the most efficient way.

You're in a great place - there are a lot of people here who have successfully treated MBD and who will have excellent advice. Natural sun, calcium, and better nutrition with get him there with patience and love.

Best of luck with your little guy and to you too!
 
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I may stand corrected, but I thought it was cold water, and not warm for a prolapse. It makes sense, that cold contracts and warm expands. I have never dealt with this issue, but have seen it on here too many times to count. Try using the cold water and see if that does not help. If not, he has to be seen by a vet and they will have to insert it back in and maybe even put a stitch by the vent to hold it in.
 
Thank you for your advise! I'll try those options. I love this site! :D There is a similar one for beardies that I am on too. I'll post pics and updates tomorrow. Wish us luck! :)
 
Sounds like you are on a good path, but a trip to the vet would be the best. Besides the shot of calcium they can also give/prescribe liquid calcium that you squirt into their mouths a couple of times each day. So, this could be an addition to the shot. While he's getting his strength back you can either lay his cage on his side (sorry, I read through it quickly, so if this isn't an option forgive me), so that he has a shorter distance to fall. You can line the bottom of his cage with towels as well to soften any impact. Another idea which has worked well for me is to get one of the plastic forms that you put a baseball hat into when you wash it to help it keep it's shape. Invert it, so it's like a cup, and line that with towels. This way you can put him into it and secure it under his UVB and basking lights - but really it's for chams who can't move around much at all. Good luck and keep us posted - we all love a good rescue story!
 
Update on Leo

Hi Everyone,

I wanted to give you an update on Leo. Yesterday was a really good day for Leo. I took him outside in the sun (it was about 78 degrees) for about an hour. :D He did great! He moved around, he was coloring up, and I even took a short video or him walking. I also took pics of him, but they did not turn out very good so I'll have to retake them. :mad: I gave him a nice, long, warm bath yesterday evening. It was good, because the previous owners told me he was constipated. He was a little weak so I helped him by gently cleaning his vent, and helping him get the poo out. I also gently cleaned his vent, surrounding areas, and his out hemepene. This morning in the bath the area looked alot better. :D He was a little stubborn this morning with food and medicine, but that may just be because he had a big day yesterday. He was moving around pretty well (for him) when I left for work. Let's hope tomorrow it is nice and sunny out so I can take him out again. There is nothing better than good ol' sunshine to help with MBD. Please keep us in your thoughts, and let me know if there is anything else I can try. Tomorrow I will have his viv redone with plants and I will take pics and post. Have a great day all! ;)
 
Hi Everyone,

I wanted to give you a final update on Leo. The last two days he went down hill fast. Unfortunately, he lost his battle. He came to us with dehydration, severe MBD, and I knew he would be a tough case. He received a lot of love and care all the way to the end. It broke our hearts when he passed. He will always be loved and never forgotten. We love you Leo! :(
 
That's very sad to hear :(
You did a great job trying to nurse him back to health. I'm sure this made his last days as comfortable as possible. Poor little Leo, RIP, little guy.
 
These animals should never be lost to husbandry with the countless resources available online. Im sorry for the loss.
 
You did an amazing job in trying to help poor Leo. Hopefully this has sparked an interest in getting another chameleon to love. I had the same thing happen to one of mine - he was going downhill, then seemed to perk up for a day or two only to pass away the following day. I think it may be a last ditch effort on their part. My heart goes out to you, and can't wait to read that you've adopted a new friend (when you are ready).
 
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