Hey Bran New here and First time owning 2 Veiled Chams.

courtneydix

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First time owing chameleons, and want to make sure I'm doing this right.

Cage Info:
Cage Type - Right now my husband and I have them in a 41 gallon Glass aquarium, the pet store told us it is very important for babies to have loads of humdity and our Large screen cage is too big for them right now.

Lighting - I have 2 heat lamps going all day and the 100w all night (because the aquarium losses heat and we have the air condition on at my house at night), one is a red 100w and the other is exo terra compact top and we have a 25 w in that one. We also have a UVB that runs along the whole aquarium and we have that on a timer for 12 hours. It comes on at 9am and is off at 9pm. We also have a exo terra rainforest/terrarium subtrate heater that is on all the time, and cover half of the aquarium ( on the bottom and its stuck on the outside of it.)

Temperature - Our temp. during the day is about 86F and we have to basking spots, which are about 98f, our night time temp, drops a lil to about 78f because it gets colder in our house, so we only turn one heat lamp. We use the exo terra thermometer that sticks on the side of the aquarium. (we have 3 of them in there, to see the temp in different areas.)

Humidity - Our levels are 60% to 65% Humidity, we have the exo terra water fall that also creates fog in the aquarium, we also mist with a mist bottle 2times a day. we have exo terra humidity Gage.

Plants - We are not using any live plants at the moment. Once we get them in the large cage we would like to. Right now they have fake plants that stick to the sides to climb in and hide. We have Vines running throughout the aquarium at different heights so they have lots of climbing space.

Location - Our cage is in our living room. it is by one air vent but we have that vent closed. As for the high traffic where the cage is there isn't much.

Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon - I have 2 Veiled Chameleons. 1 almost 2 month old female (Duckie) and a 1 1/2 month old male (Chomper) (so were told, i cannot see his spurs, but he is bigger then our female (who is older), and much much more colorful) We had the female for about 3 weeks and the male for 2 weeks on Thursday.
Handling - We are told they are to young that this point to hold them so we aren't holding them. The pet store told us we can start holding Chomper the male in about 2 weeks. But we need to wait a month or so to hold Duckie.
Feeding - We are feeding them about 6 to 8 crickets a day, and meal worms twice a week.
Supplements - we are dusting there food food with 2:0 Calcium/no phosphorus powered supplement with vitamins. (Calcium, Vit. A, Vit. D3 and Vit. C) The brand is T-REX
Watering - We have a watering dish that has a air bubblier in it. We have the Water Fall that fogs. and we mist twice a day. I do see the Chomper drinking water, but i only seen this once. Other times i see him after i mist shot his tongue at the fake plants or the sides of the aquarium. Duckie dose the same thing.
Fecal Description - The colors are white, and brown, and it looks firm, not to hard.
History - We got the chameleons from different pet stores, other than that they are babies.
Current Problem - Everyone says they should be apart, but I think they really like each others company. They are every where with each other, they even sleep together (I have a pic). They said look for signs of aggression (hissing and change of colors) but they haven't. I don't know what to do.

SO here is my info, any suggestions would be good. This is my first time owning and so far i think I'm doing the right things but if not feel free to let me know. I love these lil guys and I want to make sure they have the best care. Also we are in the middle of finding a vet that deals with Chameleons so they can get checked routinely.

Thank You,
Courtney
 
my recommedations:

no light or heat source at night.
no substrate heaters.
no substrate(bare bottom, or paper towels)
no compact bulbs, linear reptile bulbs and incandecent bulbs only.(mercury vapor is another option)
basking temps need to be below 95 degrees when that young.
digital therm/hygrom are a must, the sticks are too innacurate.
toss the waterfall immediately? bacteria breeding ground, not natural drinking method.
get live plants, fakes arent always bad as long as they arent trying to eat them. but a mix of live and fake at least, vines are good.
hold the chams as little as possible, contrary to what the petstore owners tell you.
supplements needed: pure calcium powder with no d3, calcium powder w/d3 and multivitamin powder.

and they will need to be housed separately, they can live together till about 2-3months TOPS!!
 
Whoa-I don't have time to address all of this but your temps are WAY TOO HIGH and you should not have any heat or light on them at night. They will be fine with temp drops into the 60's. Please lower your temps before you dehydrate and possibly kill them. Those stick on thermometers are absolutley WORTHLESS.
 
Hi Courtney,
Welcome to the forum.
Here is some recommendation on things to fix in your husbandry:

Cage Info:
Cage Type - Right now my husband and I have them in a 41 gallon Glass aquarium, the pet store told us it is very important for babies to have loads of humidity and our Large screen cage is too big for them right now.

For a 1 months old, it's alright to keep them in a glass cage. But, they will need individual screen cage in about 2 months

Lighting - I have 2 heat lamps going all day and the 100w all night (because the aquarium losses heat and we have the air condition on at my house at night), one is a red 100w and the other is exo terra compact top and we have a 25 w in that one. We also have a UVB that runs along the whole aquarium and we have that on a timer for 12 hours. It comes on at 9am and is off at 9pm. We also have a exo terra rainforest/terrarium subtrate heater that is on all the time, and cover half of the aquarium ( on the bottom and its stuck on the outside of it.)

This is where the underlying problem with your husbandry. 100 Watt lamp for an aquarium can be extremely hot for babies. I even use 50 watt for adult in a screen cage. What is the ambient temp in your cage? i suggest to put a basking spot temp no higher than mid 80s (Fahrenheit), while maintaining around 70 - mid 70 ambient temp. ABSOLUTELY NO NEED for NIGHT HEAT LAMP, unless your room temp dropped below 60 F. Veiled can even stand 50 F during winter night -although i do not suggest you exposed them to that extremities- They benefit from having 10 degrees drop at night. COMPACT LAMP is a NO NO. They have been proven to cause eye problems.
Check this link for proof: http://www.uvguide.co.uk/phototherapyphosphor.htm
You need this lamp instead:
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NO Substrate is best. You can use paper towel.
Impaction is common in setup that use substrate. It can also become a breeding ground for bacteria.


Temperature - Our temp. during the day is about 86F and we have to basking spots, which are about 98f, our night time temp, drops a lil to about 78f because it gets colder in our house, so we only turn one heat lamp. We use the exo terra thermometer that sticks on the side of the aquarium. (we have 3 of them in there, to see the temp in different areas.)
wayyy too hot

Humidity - Our levels are 60% to 65% Humidity, we have the exo terra water fall that also creates fog in the aquarium, we also mist with a mist bottle 2times a day. we have exo terra humidity Gage.
no water fall. Also another breeding ground for bacteria. misting should be adequate for humidity requirements. You might want to invest ob little dripper
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I will add more info when I get a few minutes... But first thing that must be done... That I find critically important.

Forget everything the petstore told you... And start from scratch here.

Follow the pet store intstructions and you will back there with a dead Cham, and they will be trying to sell you another.

Good Luck, and way to do your research.
 
Hello and welcome to the Forums! You have come to the right place! You will find excellent help here with your chameleons. After you get those temps down in that aquarium so you don't cook your babies please take the time to read this site below. It has been so helpful to me with my chams. I refer back to it still whenever I have a question. Jann

http://raisingkittytheveiledchameleon.blogspot.com/
 
Hello Courtney!

Fabulous that you are checking your set-up to ensure that it works. I've made a few suggestions for changes below. Unfortunately, pet stores are great at giving false and inadequate advise, so you may find what they've suggested is not what your chameleons really need.

I also highly recommend you read the following website:
http://raisingkittytheveiledchameleon.blogspot.com/

Cage Info:
Cage Type - Right now my husband and I have them in a 41 gallon Glass aquarium, the pet store told us it is very important for babies to have loads of humdity and our Large screen cage is too big for them right now.

Most people will tell you to get them out of the glass aquairum as soon as possible. In the meantime you will need to work hard to keep the environment inside the tank correct for the chameleons. Also you will want to separate them soon, into their own enclosures. You may think they like each other, but I guarantee that will NOT last. If left together, one will dominate and the other will get less food, less time in the basking spot, and will suffer from stress and will not thrive.

Lighting - I have 2 heat lamps going all day and the 100w all night (because the aquarium losses heat and we have the air condition on at my house at night), one is a red 100w and the other is exo terra compact top and we have a 25 w in that one. We also have a UVB that runs along the whole aquarium and we have that on a timer for 12 hours. It comes on at 9am and is off at 9pm. We also have a exo terra rainforest/terrarium subtrate heater that is on all the time, and cover half of the aquarium ( on the bottom and its stuck on the outside of it.)
Temperature - Our temp. during the day is about 86F and we have to basking spots, which are about 98f, our night time temp, drops a lil to about 78f because it gets colder in our house, so we only turn one heat lamp. We use the exo terra thermometer that sticks on the side of the aquarium. (we have 3 of them in there, to see the temp in different areas.)

I believe your temparatures are too high for such young chameleons. I would suggest closer to 70F at night and 80F during the day.

You dont want a light on at night. If you need to supplment heat by way of a lamp at night, use a ceramic lamp (gives off no light, just heat).

I dont think an under tank heater is necessary and may not be advisable - I will let others comment on this.

Let us know what type of UVB bulb you are using - the compact type are bad and some linear tubes are better than others.

Humidity - Our levels are 60% to 65% Humidity, we have the exo terra water fall that also creates fog in the aquarium, we also mist with a mist bottle 2times a day. we have exo terra humidity Gage.
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Get rid of the water fall. They harbour bacteria and the fog is not necessary. Humidity of 60% is fine, which you will acheive through misting and having a water dripper. A digital guage will give you a more accurate reading.

Handling - We are told they are to young that this point to hold them so we aren't holding them. The pet store told us we can start holding Chomper the male in about 2 weeks. But we need to wait a month or so to hold Duckie.
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Generally speaking you should handle them as little as possible, at ANY age. Chameleons are not creatures that you can play with without stressing them.

Feeding - We are feeding them about 6 to 8 crickets a day, and meal worms twice a week.
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I would recommend reducing the number of mealworms you use, and add in a variety of other feeder insects, such as: roaches, silk worms, butter worms, king worms, horn worms, stick bugs, wood sows, moths...
As they get older, you will be able to reduce the number of feeders offered, and possibly the frequency as well (take a day off now and then)

I wont comment on that particular supplment as I am not familiar with it.
Ensure you are gutloading the crickets!

Watering - We have a watering dish that has a air bubblier in it. We have the Water Fall that fogs. and we mist twice a day. I do see the Chomper drinking water, but i only seen this once. Other times i see him after i mist shot his tongue at the fake plants or the sides of the aquarium. Duckie dose the same thing.
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Get rid of the water dish and the waterfall. Use a dripper (such as a small container full of water with a tiny pin-hole in the bottom that allows a drip per second to fall into the cage, onto leaves) and mist. You can search this forum for lots of help on this subject.

Current Problem - Everyone says they should be apart, but I think they really like each others company. They are every where with each other, they even sleep together (I have a pic). They said look for signs of aggression (hissing and change of colors) but they haven't. I don't know what to do.
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Yes, you have to be prepared to separate them.

Im at work and my coffee break is over, so Im sorry I cant go into more detail. But welcome to the joy of keeping chameleons!
Sandra
 
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