Infrared-red?? Is this a solution?

[niels99]

Since im living in northern europe. Warming during night is essential. I use a heat pad for my two green anoles and a heating cable for my cham.

Since both have nearly come to an end and have to be replaced. I was thinking of other options.

I know that infrared bulbs arent good for chams.( are they any harm for anoles?) But what if i cover them with something dark(cloth or something like that) so that they still emit warmth but not light? Or is it the infrared rays that do the harm and not the light?.

Just wondering cuz that would be much cheaper then a ceramic heat emitter.

If you have any answers or suggeations. Please leave below.

With kind regards.

Niels from holland

 

[Lathis]

I don't think that would work, and it sounds like a great way to start a fire.

How cold is it really getting in your house? Many species of cham can take lower temperature at night just fine, even down toward 10-11 C (50-52 F), if they can bask and warm up in the morning.

I would be surprised if a house that someone lives in, even in very cold climates, was allowed to drop that low at night. Too inefficient for heating purposes and your pipes will freeze.

 

[Virgil1972]

I live in Wisconsin and it gets down to -45C and I never worry about the cham getting to cold at night.

 

[cyberlocc]

Since im living in northern europe. Warming during night is essential. I use a heat pad for my two green anoles and a heating cable for my cham.

Since both have nearly come to an end and have to be replaced. I was thinking of other options.

I know that infrared bulbs arent good for chams.( are they any harm for anoles?) But what if i cover them with something dark(cloth or something like that) so that they still emit warmth but not light? Or is it the infrared rays that do the harm and not the light?.

Just wondering cuz that would be much cheaper then a ceramic heat emitter.

If you have any answers or suggeations. Please leave below.

With kind regards.

Niels from holland

That sounds like a fire hazard. And I dont understand the reason, you have a mis fact here, "Just wondering cuz that would be much cheaper then a ceramic heat emitter."

This is false, watts are watts. Watts create heat, a 150 light bulb will create the same heat as a 150w red bulb or a 150w ceramic bulb. No matter what you do wattage heats and you will not be able to reduce that.

They could disperse there heat in different ways, such as with halogen basking lights having a higher heat but smaller area. However with your idea it would heat the same. The ceramic bulbs will also last much much longer, if you did do this short of catching fire, you would have a very hot cloth and most of the heat would be wasted.

A way to reduce the electricity cost, would be set lower temps and use a thermostat to control it so it doesn't run as much, thats the only power saving you are going to get.

 

[JaniP]

That sounds like a huge fire hazard! If you really need heat, spend the money on the ceramic heat

I'm in the plains of Canada where it can get past -40C and don't need night time heat (one or two nights i think i've been close to needing it, but haven't). Are you sure it's necessary?

 

[alphakenc]

A good range temperature drop at night will always do good for ur cham as long is within the guideline.

 

[Extensionofgreen]

Your anoles will be fine, without night heat, also. I bred anoles, before chameleons. If you are still compelled to provide night heat, use the ceramic heat emitters, but compensate for the drying affect it will have on the night air, since humidity often rises at night, in the rain forest and other natural chameleon and anole habitats. You can easily skirt the high 40sF and low 50sF, at night, with no issue, though.

 

[Carlton]

If you are still convinced that your room temp at night is too cold, you could always cover the cham cage on cold nights. This would reduce heat transfer from the cage plants that was absorbed during the day and block any cold drafts. It might be just enough to avoid using any additional heat at night.

 

[gotwqqd]

That sounds like a fire hazard. And I dont understand the reason, you have a mis fact here, "Just wondering cuz that would be much cheaper then a ceramic heat emitter."

This is false, watts are watts. Watts create heat, a 150 light bulb will create the same heat as a 150w red bulb or a 150w ceramic bulb. No matter what you do wattage heats and you will not be able to reduce that.

They could disperse there heat in different ways, such as with halogen basking lights having a higher heat but smaller area. However with your idea it would heat the same. The ceramic bulbs will also last much much longer, if you did do this short of catching fire, you would have a very hot cloth and most of the heat would be wasted.

A way to reduce the electricity cost, would be set lower temps and use a thermostat to control it so it doesn't run as much, thats the only power saving you are going to get.

Watts is POWER
It does not necessarily transfer to heat.
You could look at an infra red ceramic as an extremely inefficient light source where most of the wattage transfers to heat.

 

[niels99]

ty so much for the replies

 

[cyberlocc]

Watts is POWER
It does not necessarily transfer to heat.
You could look at an infra red ceramic as an extremely inefficient light source where most of the wattage transfers to heat.

Watts is Power, when power is used it creates heat. A computer uses electricity generates no light and still produces heat.

Anytime electricity is used heat is generated as a waste product. It has nothing to do with light, it has to do with electricity being spent.

Watt = Joules per Second. This calculation doe not change if use a light bulb, a ceramic heater or nichrome wire or whatever. Watts of heat (Joules per second) are the same no matter the medium, though they do differ slightly in there delivery of heat (what ends up being heated and where).

If you had 15 100w light bulbs across a span the size of a radiant base board heater, the size and shape of the units heating areas where the same or similar. With the same locations, they would heat the room the exact same temperature.

Light has zero to do with it at all, light does not "Heat" anything the electricity being used produces the heat. The sun heats due to it being a big ole ball of heat, has nothing to do with the "Light"

This is why LEDs, can be brighter and less heat by far. Its not because they produce less light, they produce more. It is because they produce more light with less electricity. Less electricity used, less waste (Heat) put out.

The reason a halogen bulb produces slightly more heat in our needs, is not because it defies this. A halogen directs that waste heat in a specific direction, like we try to create with a dome. The heat is focused to an area instead of radiating all around.

"Watts is POWER, It does not necessarily transfer to heat"
Sorry to say, but this is 100% wrong. For all the reasons I just said,

Here is an easy example.
"Joules of heat energy transferred to the surroundings. It doesn't matter whether that heat came from a light bulb or a heater, 90W is still 90W"
Have a look here to see more about this.

scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=4006

 

[gotwqqd]

Watts is Power, when power is used it creates heat. A computer uses electricity generates no light and still produces heat.

Anytime electricity is used heat is generated as a waste product. It has nothing to do with light, it has to do with electricity being spent.

Watt = Joules per Second. This calculation doe not change if use a light bulb, a ceramic heater or nichrome wire or whatever. Watts of heat (Joules per second) are the same no matter the medium, though they do differ slightly in there delivery of heat (what ends up being heated and where).

If you had 15 100w light bulbs across a span the size of a radiant base board heater, the size and shape of the units heating areas where the same or similar. With the same locations, they would heat the room the exact same temperature.

Light has zero to do with it at all, light does not "Heat" anything the electricity being used produces the heat. The sun heats due to it being a big ole ball of heat, has nothing to do with the "Light"

This is why LEDs, can be brighter and less heat by far. Its not because they produce less light, they produce more. It is because they produce more light with less electricity. Less electricity used, less waste (Heat) put out.

The reason a halogen bulb produces slightly more heat in our needs, is not because it defies this. A halogen directs that waste heat in a specific direction, like we try to create with a dome. The heat is focused to an area instead of radiating all around.

"Watts is POWER, It does not necessarily transfer to heat"
Sorry to say, but this is 100% wrong. For all the reasons I just said,

Here is an easy example.
"Joules of heat energy transferred to the surroundings. It doesn't matter whether that heat came from a light bulb or a heater, 90W is still 90W"
Have a look here to see more about this.

scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=4006

If you think everything boils down to heat you need to do some more reading

 

[cyberlocc]

If you think everything boils down to heat you need to do some more reading

Not really sure what you mean by this.

You said that a ceramic heater is an extremely ineffienct light that prudcues more heat. That is 100% incorrect. I have a bachelor's in computer science I know a thing or 2 about electricity. Aside from that I provided you a link that says the same exact thing. From a credible source, yet your still arguing about it?

Whatever I am not here to argue with you. The facts are in my post and that source page. Tkae from that what you will. Have a great day.

OP sorry to derail your thread, though it was kinda relvant to the post. Let us know what you end up doing.

 

[niels99]

Ty for all your respons. Ive contacted a few more people and im ordering a ceramic heat emitter very soon for my cham and im still deciding yet if im gonna use a infrared bulb for my anoles at night(several people said to me that it'd be fine and that theyve bred anoles for ages using infrared. No eating or odd behavior issues according to them)(why are chams so..... picky?? The one lizard can and the other cant resist infrared?)

Anyways . Or i might just go on using my heating cable. Looks kinda funny the anoles just think like " wow.. a branche that gives of heat. Cool. Im gonna sleep on that" or do they sleep at them cause theyre to cold?

Anyways this is not an anoles forum.

 

[Carlton]

Ty for all your respons. Ive contacted a few more people and im ordering a ceramic heat emitter very soon for my cham and im still deciding yet if im gonna use a infrared bulb for my anoles at night(several people said to me that it'd be fine and that theyve bred anoles for ages using infrared. No eating or odd behavior issues according to them)(why are chams so..... picky?? The one lizard can and the other cant resist infrared?)

Anyways . Or i might just go on using my heating cable. Looks kinda funny the anoles just think like " wow.. a branche that gives of heat. Cool. Im gonna sleep on that" or do they sleep at them cause theyre to cold?

Anyways this is not an anoles forum.

Chams have full color vision and the visible light at night is a problem. Also, without a temp drop at night their metabolism doesn't drop and permit them to rest. Chams are arboreal (yes, I know anoles are too), and have adapted to tolerate a nightly cool down they would experience higher up in trees rather than on the ground. They do not absorb heat from their ventral surface like other lizards would (they are not lying prone on a warm surface), so not sure if a warmed perch benefits them too much.

 

[Virgil1972]

Watts is Power, when power is used it creates heat. A computer uses electricity generates no light and still produces heat.

Anytime electricity is used heat is generated as a waste product. It has nothing to do with light, it has to do with electricity being spent.

Watt = Joules per Second. This calculation doe not change if use a light bulb, a ceramic heater or nichrome wire or whatever. Watts of heat (Joules per second) are the same no matter the medium, though they do differ slightly in there delivery of heat (what ends up being heated and where).

If you had 15 100w light bulbs across a span the size of a radiant base board heater, the size and shape of the units heating areas where the same or similar. With the same locations, they would heat the room the exact same temperature.

Light has zero to do with it at all, light does not "Heat" anything the electricity being used produces the heat. The sun heats due to it being a big ole ball of heat, has nothing to do with the "Light"

This is why LEDs, can be brighter and less heat by far. Its not because they produce less light, they produce more. It is because they produce more light with less electricity. Less electricity used, less waste (Heat) put out.

The reason a halogen bulb produces slightly more heat in our needs, is not because it defies this. A halogen directs that waste heat in a specific direction, like we try to create with a dome. The heat is focused to an area instead of radiating all around.

"Watts is POWER, It does not necessarily transfer to heat"
Sorry to say, but this is 100% wrong. For all the reasons I just said,

Here is an easy example.
"Joules of heat energy transferred to the surroundings. It doesn't matter whether that heat came from a light bulb or a heater, 90W is still 90W"
Have a look here to see more about this.

scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=4006

Resistance creates the heat. LEDs can put off a good amount of heat as well because the diodes do not have any resistance a resistor needs to be used in series with the diode which puts off quite a bit of heat compared to watts used.

 

[cyberlocc]

Resistance creates the heat. LEDs can put off a good amount of heat as well because the diodes do not have any resistance a resistor needs to be used in series with the diode which puts off quite a bit of heat compared to watts used.

Resistance is part of the equation yes. But not in the way you are thinking.

That is based on ohms law. As the Resistance behind a voltage changes so does its wattage.

It still comes back to wattage.

Here is the thing, lets say you have a 5 volt load right?
At 1 ohm of Resistance, it will produce X heat.
However at 2 ohms of Resistance, it will produce Y heat.

Now the heat of X and Y will differ, Y will not put out as much heat as X.

However looking at that same figure we see this.
At 1 ohms of Resistance, we see a wattage of 25, and Amperage of 5.
At 2 ohms of Resistance, we see a wattage of 12.5 and an Amperage of 2.5

In the case of this convo, Watts waste = Heat.

Heat is a measure of Energy, Watts is a rate of Energy, Resistance has nothing to do with that. Resistance changes the rate of energy used, thus changes the waste (heat) produced. The Waste of Energy (heat) is directly proportional to the Energy (watts) used and that alone.

I understand that LEDs still get hot they do. They are still using Energy, and therefore wasting heat. However 50w Led will still produce the same heat as 50w lightbulb.

The difference in lighting comes in due to efficiency. A standard filament bulb has a wattage efficiency of 5-10%, where as an LED is more like 70% efficient. It uses less power to produce the same amount of light. The heat however is constant and remains the same.

The heat is dispersed differently however. as with a filament bulb, 98% of the heat is dispersed from the bulb as waste heat from the wattage. With an LED, 25% of the heat is dispersed from the LED itself as waste. The light it makes then disperse of the rest of the heat throughout it.

so an LEDs heat is more dispersed away from the light, where a bulb produces is as waste. Again heat is a measure of energy. whether that be electricity, or light, or kinetic. they will all create heat.

 

[gotwqqd]

Resistance is part of the equation yes. But not in the way you are thinking.

That is based on ohms law. As the Resistance behind a voltage changes so does its wattage.

It still comes back to wattage.

Here is the thing, lets say you have a 5 volt load right?
At 1 ohm of Resistance, it will produce X heat.
However at 2 ohms of Resistance, it will produce Y heat.

Now the heat of X and Y will differ, Y will not put out as much heat as X.

However looking at that same figure we see this.
At 1 ohms of Resistance, we see a wattage of 25, and Amperage of 5.
At 2 ohms of Resistance, we see a wattage of 12.5 and an Amperage of 2.5

In the case of this convo, Watts waste = Heat.

Heat is a measure of Energy, Watts is a rate of Energy, Resistance has nothing to do with that. Resistance changes the rate of energy used, thus changes the waste (heat) produced. The Waste of Energy (heat) is directly proportional to the Energy (watts) used and that alone.

I understand that LEDs still get hot they do. They are still using Energy, and therefore wasting heat. However 50w Led will still produce the same heat as 50w lightbulb.

The difference in lighting comes in due to efficiency. A standard filament bulb has a wattage efficiency of 5-10%, where as an LED is more like 70% efficient. It uses less power to produce the same amount of light. The heat however is constant and remains the same.

The heat is dispersed differently however. as with a filament bulb, 98% of the heat is dispersed from the bulb as waste heat from the wattage. With an LED, 25% of the heat is dispersed from the LED itself as waste. The light it makes then disperse of the rest of the heat throughout it.

so an LEDs heat is more dispersed away from the light, where a bulb produces is as waste. Again heat is a measure of energy. whether that be electricity, or light, or kinetic. they will all create heat.

your problem is you think heat is the only form of energy/power
get some physics books

and the reason an led uses a diode/resistor is to limit the current...else you will burn up your led

 

[Lathis]

As fascinating as this is, guys... it's well past the point where it's helping the OP.

I like a good argument as much as anyone, but maybe move this to a new thread.

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[niels99]

Sorry to interupt. But i do not know the word led. At least bot in english .
Are leds the lamps using ionisized gas?