Jigsaw is coming

JCDenton

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So I'm very psyched to have my first chameleon coming soon, a 3 month old baby panther boy. He's been a very long time coming. I'm 29 years old, just finished law school, and I had previously been into herps from age 10-14 or so, although my leopard gecko from that time lived into my 20's. Back when I was starting out, the herp world was a very different place. The internet was a bill-by-the-minute affair where you might wait half an hour to load a picture-intensive webpage, so all info came from the library or Reptiles magazine, and for animals/supplies you were at the mercy of local pet stores or magazine mail order where you could not easily check the seller's background.

It was in that environment that I wanted a chameleon, but my parents knew they had a rep for dying so I wasn't allowed to get one. Only Jacksons were readily available so those were what I focused on, and I don't recall any stores selling Veileds. I do recall my first and only encounter with a panther though. I was with my dad getting the leopard gecko for my birthday ($120 of 1990's money for a non-morph juvenile!) and he was just there...the baddest lizard I've ever seen chillin in a wood and screen cage, brilliant red with a purple head and blue stripes on the sides. I was in awe that something like that could even exist. He was of course unattainable though. The price was something absurd: at least $1000, possibly $2000 or $3000, and my primary source of income was $15 per week for mowing the lawn.

Fast forward to a couple of months ago. I had all but forgotten chameleons, and just on a whim decided to check out some vids of them eating on youtube. That of course lead to checking out some breeders, and a joking "Honey, can I have $300 for a chameleon?" when my wife got home. I knew it was a no-go since I'm funemployed but it never hurts to ask. About a month late on my birthday, she told me to go get a chameleon.

I came here first for some info and to make sure I could care for one properly, and quickly concluded that I should get a veiled first with a panther to follow after about a year. Jann was offering her babies up for adoption and that looked like the perfect way to start: a veiled baby from a pair of beautiful, good-tempered parents, raised by someone who deeply cares about her pets. Jann was extremely helpful, making sure I had all the info I needed and that I was moving along on getting all the supplies together. As my cage neared completion and I realized how much work it is, particularly live plants and feeder care, I realized I would probably only be able to take care of one. All the activity on the chameleon front got my wife interested in them, and she really took to the panthers. And I also remembered that epic panther from a long time ago and how...epic he was. I ended up backing out of taking one of the veileds which I feel bad about, especially after watching them grow up and how helpful Jann was. She was very understanding though and I have a panther coming soon.

Here's his grandpa:
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And his daddy:
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And now meet Jigsaw:
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I'm so excited and I can't wait to get him. Look forward to trailers of him decimating insects set to SAW music.
 
welcome :)

Glad to hear you have done the prior research and thus have some good knowledge before getting your cham.

The pictures look like an Ambilobe, which are beatiful :)

Which breeder are you purchasing from?

S.F
 
Yup, he's an ambilobe! I'm getting him from Theresa at KaleidoscopeChameleons. She was very helpful and quick to respond to emails. I was also considering a slightly older one from Dez but the one I wanted ended up selling before I decided. Emailed about him last night, woke up today ready to make my final decision, and he was gone already.:( Dez was pretty helpful though, and shared some good knowledge about juvenile vs. adult coloring.
 
Good luck, you've done your homework so you should be fine. Buying from a respected breeder increases your chance for success 1000%. Post pics of him in his new setup.
 
Ok, he got here about an hour and a half ago and looks very healthy! I put the deli cup on top of the pothos and opened it so he could crawl out. He took a short tumble getting out and landed hanging on a branch. I helped him up a bit and he crawled right onto my hand and did not want to get off. Eventually I coaxed him onto a branch and he sat stationary for a while, pretending to be a leaf. So I misted him a bit and left him alone, and when I came back he was already drinking. Just now, I held up a little cricket in front of him and he snapped it right out of my hand! He seems to be a very social little dood. I got some low quality vids of some of the morning events with my droid cam that I'll post later. Then when my wife comes home we'll get some high def vids with the Canon HF10.

I was told he's eating 1/4 crickets. How many and what size should I order for him, keeping in mind that some will die and they will grow faster than he does so I may have to throw some out?
 
Yup, he's an ambilobe! I'm getting him from Theresa at KaleidoscopeChameleons. She was very helpful and quick to respond to emails. I was also considering a slightly older one from Dez but the one I wanted ended up selling before I decided. Emailed about him last night, woke up today ready to make my final decision, and he was gone already.:( Dez was pretty helpful though, and shared some good knowledge about juvenile vs. adult coloring.

Sorry about that, that guy sold quickly. You can chalk it up as 'not ment to be' :)

Kaleidoscope has excellent chameleons. You made a good choice
 
I have a 3.5 month lobo baby and he eats about 9 - 1/4 in crickets and about a dozen of the medium fruit flies from the snail tail sponsor here. He loves going after the fruit flies. I got the crickets from a the local pet shop at first because the first couple days he only ate like 5 crickets. But I just ordered 250 bulk from ghanns. I have also ordered small pheonix worms now that the little guy has grown a little, I hope he likes them. I am just trying to make sure I keep a good variety. The way that has worked best for me to keep crickets alive is use a gutload from a sumpplier. Trying to use real fruits and veggies proved to produce a bad smell and dead crickets. I also use a damp paper towel for water but make sure they can't get stuck under the paper towel and make sure it's not too wet. Also be sure to clean out any dead crickets everyday and clean the poop/whole container as often as you can.

Good luck
 
Congrats on Jigsaw! I usually buy my crix at a pet store (not as cost-effective as ordering online, but more convenient), and will buy usually 200 at a time; with die-off, ones that get too big, etc., I find that's usually good for ten days to two weeks. I find variation batch to batch in crickets, so I often ask to see how big their smalls, mediums, ten day pins or what-have-you are this week. Jigsaw would probably be taking "smalls". Ordering online, Ghann's Cricket Farm (one of our sponsors) sells them in sizes sorted into fractions of an inch, so you would get the 1/4 inchers; 250 looks like the smallest presorted lot they sell. At this stage, since the crix can outgrow the cham's preferred prey size range, I'd order the 250 or the 500 at the most; when he grows up, people often order lots of a thousand or more. At his age, small silk- or hornworms and phoenix worms are potential treats; silkies (and hornworms) are soft-bodied, and they can safely eat a bigger silk than they could a cricket; these bugs grow very fast, though.
Welcome!
 
So later on, I went back to check on him and had a hard time finding him since he wasn't in his favorite spot (a schleffera branch near the back of the cage under the basking light). After looking around for a while, I realized he was clowning around hanging from the ceiling and I whipped out the camera. Vid is up to 1080p although I had a hard time focusing on him so the quality isn't that great:

http://www.youtube.com/user/jbh545#p/a/u/1/r9Y5Aj_raQw

He didn't mind a camcorder in his cage at all and even walked towards it. Then I decided that it was time for Jigsaw to test his first victim. This one came out a lot better even though it's been downconverted twice. Turn on 1080p for quality and annotations/subtitles for lulz.

http://www.youtube.com/user/jbh545#p/a/u/0/U7InzjDDa7s

It looks like he had a hard time with that cricket but he was actually just waiting for the camera to go away and then he slurped it down. I've got smaller ones coming in the mail. Then lastly, this was the best shot I have of him colored up so far. I think he's gonna turn out awesome. He likes to spend most of his time basking and dark brown so far though. I think he got tired because he spent at least 45 minutes walking around upside down.

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Congrats on the new guy! I would feed him all that he wants at this age. My babies eat 3 times a day about 6 to 8 small to med. crickets at each feeding. Also I would feed house flies not fruit flies they are too small for him.
 
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Well, today we had what could only be described as a bad day. I wanted to get some serious food in him since yesterday he only ate 4 crickets that I know of (2 handfed, 2 free range, possibly 1-2 more free range that I didn't see). Today I went and bought a fake plant with a lot of bendy branches and stuck it inside a rubbermaid bin with it arranged to have lots of good hunting perches. Then I put him and 5 crickets in there and prepared to watch the carnage, but ended up just stressing him. He did eat one, but I decided to put him back in his cage and handfeed, but he wouldn't take any. No biggie, he was stressed, so I left him alone and put a bowl with 5 crix in his favorite spot. He spent a lot of time hanging around under and next to the bowl but didn't eat from it in the few hours it was in there. I tried to hand feed him again just now, but he was having none of it and fell off a leaf trying to get away. He fell about a foot and I feel like the worst person in the world. Luckily he looks fine and is being active, crawling around on the ceiling. I've got about 6 crickets free ranging and he doesn't seem interested, although it's hard to tell if he sees them. I guess the next step is a milk jug feeding cup with screen backing. I wish I knew if he isn't eating because he's stressed, not hungry, or just doesn't see the crickets.
 
Well, today we had what could only be described as a bad day. I wanted to get some serious food in him since yesterday he only ate 4 crickets that I know of (2 handfed, 2 free range, possibly 1-2 more free range that I didn't see). Today I went and bought a fake plant with a lot of bendy branches and stuck it inside a rubbermaid bin with it arranged to have lots of good hunting perches. Then I put him and 5 crickets in there and prepared to watch the carnage, but ended up just stressing him. He did eat one, but I decided to put him back in his cage and handfeed, but he wouldn't take any. No biggie, he was stressed, so I left him alone and put a bowl with 5 crix in his favorite spot. He spent a lot of time hanging around under and next to the bowl but didn't eat from it in the few hours it was in there. I tried to hand feed him again just now, but he was having none of it and fell off a leaf trying to get away. He fell about a foot and I feel like the worst person in the world. Luckily he looks fine and is being active, crawling around on the ceiling. I've got about 6 crickets free ranging and he doesn't seem interested, although it's hard to tell if he sees them. I guess the next step is a milk jug feeding cup with screen backing. I wish I knew if he isn't eating because he's stressed, not hungry, or just doesn't see the crickets.

What size are the crickets? They shouldn't be any larger then the space between his eyes. Also, he just got home so he may take a while to get adjusted and eat. Don't push him unless he doesn't eat for a few days.
 
Yea don't stress mine wouldn't eat more than 6 crivkets a day for the first 4 days then he slowly eat more and more. Sounds like he is doing great so far!
 
What size are the crickets? They shouldn't be any larger then the space between his eyes. Also, he just got home so he may take a while to get adjusted and eat. Don't push him unless he doesn't eat for a few days.

They're various sizes, none any larger than what I've already seen him eat easily. They either seem to hang out on the bottom of the cage, on the sides, or well hidden. He's shown no interest in that so far, the free-rangers he ate yesterday were crawling on branches but that's hard to duplicate. I'm thinking of taking the pothos out since he hasn't gone on it once and it would let him get a better view of the whole cage, but I have a hard enough time keeping humidity up as it is. He's drinking fine but the cage dries out pretty quickly. The pothos is so dense that crickets could easily get lost in it.

Oh, and I got him a mist king as an apology gift for making him fall, but he doesn't have to know that I had already bought it before his accident :p
 
Well, it looks like he FINALLY understands this whole eating thing. After I mist him with his morning drink, it's his habit to run around upside down on the ceiling like in that video I posted. He's been doing it for longer and longer each day...his morning constitutional is up to a couple hours now. The first few days were really tough, with me occasionally able to get him to eat a cricket by contorting a pair of short tweezers up through the branches and holding it near him for a couple minutes during his jog. After just a few crickets, my arm was really getting tired though.

Then today, it's like a light bulb went off in his little chameleon brain. He came closer to the front of the cage, flipped upside down with just his back two legs gripping the ceiling, and snapped up the cricket within a couple seconds. Then he just sat there hanging and staring at me, so I just kept holding crickets up for him and he decimated them. After I fed him the half-dozen I had, he was still hanging upside down, so I left to get some more and when I came back he was waiting in the same position. A couple more and then he decided that was enough and walked away. He fired up for the first time during this, showing bright red on his throat and armpits. I didn't even know one this little could show color. Now he's triumphantly soaking up UVB.
 
Good for him! They differ a lot in eating habits, and it looks like you're going to be lucky enough to have one that doesn't mind you around when feeding and will take things from you. My current guy is a fine eater, with the caveat that he HAS to feel it's wild caught - so no hand feeding, no cup feeding, but the moment the bug gets onto a leaf and starts wandering about, it's a goner.
 
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