Locale Question?

[Shawn89]

So say "hypothetically" I happen to give in an bring in another Cham, which I would want my first panther... I couldn't decide if I want a sambava or a ambilobe... I was checking out chameleonsnorthwest and I found a few daddy's I would like to get from, like zippy, lugosi, and the torch. which locale do you guys prefer? is one more temperamental than the other?

 

[pssh]

It's up to you. I believe there are no more torch babies as he died. Patron produces some really nice babies though. There is no temperament difference, they are just as likely to be agressive or docile.

Here's a thread of my little guy from patron. His brothers are nothing short of amazing as well.
https://www.chameleonforums.com/hyperion-kick-buttt-sambava-47176/

 

[carol5208]

As far as temperment I don't think the locales you are comparing have anything to do with whether they are nicer or not. It is luck of the draw! I have a Sambava and he is a big teddy bear! Many people have ambliobe's and they are equally as nice. Alot of it has to do with how you interact with them and how they are housed. Many on here will agree that an uncaged cham is a happy and more friendly one. As far as the colors, Sambava take much longer for their colors to mature. I have a 10 month old. He is basically green with dark blue bar/burgandy sometimes. When he fires up which is rarely, he is yellow with red bard. The ambliobe's are more colorful in my opinion. check out my photo album, you can see a few picks of his varying coloration. He is still young.

 

[pssh]

Many on here will agree that an uncaged cham is a happy and more friendly one.

Being caged has nothing to do with 'friendly-ness.' Dont assume that there is a direct link.

 

[sandrachameleon]

Being caged has nothing to do with 'friendly-ness.' Dont assume that there is a direct link.

Agreed. I have multiple panther chameleons in near identidal home-made cages, raised in near identical fashion, and yet temperments have varied widely. From incredibly "firendly" to very "hissy"

Its not the cage, its the animal.

 

[carol5208]

Being caged has nothing to do with 'friendly-ness.' Dont assume that there is a direct link.

Sorry, but I disagree, there are many people on here who free range their chams and said it made a world of difference in their personalities for the better, mine included! Just my personal experiene and I have read about it on here with others too.

 

[morpheon]

I have read that free-ranged thing too, but there is no real proof of that. All we know is a bunch of breeders who found a behavior change in their chameleon when they changed them to a free-range setup (and I believe most of them by the way). However, we don't know how many breeder did NOT notice any change when moving their chameleon to a free-range setup as well.

We also don't have any data about "random behavior changes" that aren't related to a change in their enclosure or living setup.

Therefore, it is a bit hard to prove without a doubt that there is any link (correlation) between the both. However, there is definately a POSSIBILITY.

 

[carol5208]

I have read that free-ranged thing too, but there is no real proof of that. All we know is a bunch of breeders who found a behavior change in their chameleon when they changed them to a free-range setup (and I believe most of them by the way). However, we don't know how many breeder did NOT notice any change when moving their chameleon to a free-range setup as well.

We also don't have any data about "random behavior changes" that aren't related to a change in their enclosure or living setup.

Therefore, it is a bit hard to prove without a doubt that there is any link (correlation) between the both. However, there is definately a POSSIBILITY.

ok, I can go along with that there is no "direct link" so maybe I should have worded it differently.I mean I didn't actually say those words. Just going by my own experience of course and just reading some threads before of people saying they could not touch their chameleon in the cage and were able to handle much better when outside of the cage.

 

[pssh]

I've also tried to free range my veiled and he stayed completely dark the full three days I left him out. He was completely terrified of me and everything else. I think it made him 'worse.' the panther I free range now, was not friendly before, but he became friendly while he was caged. After several months of pretty much leaving him alone to do his own thing, he decided he liked human interaction. When he started to voluntarily walk out to me, I started to free range him. In fact, he's gotten less human-friendly the longer he's been free ranged. He still likes to climb on me sometimes, but he is beginning to no tolerate other humans.

Tell me how that follows the direct link in free ranging. There is no direct link. It's the animal. Perhaps the animal began to see you as a non-threat after you began free ranging, but it wasn't because he was in a small tree instead of a cage. There's almost no difference between free ranging and a bigger cage in my opinion.

 

[carol5208]

If you read the above thread I agreed there that is not a "direct link" so what are you aruging about? And as you just stated it was "your opinion" so I have mine and you have yours. An opinion is not a fact so let's just close the door on this chapter!!! I guess I got lucky with my chameleon, because he now is a sweetheart inside his cage and out!

 

[pssh]

I was unaware that was posted. I had been typing while you posted. If you notice, we posted the exact same minute. Chill out.


Any the my opinion part in my last post was about how free ranges and cages are almost the same.

 

[carol5208]

thats cool! Let's just forget about it ok. As stated we all have our opinions which are based on our personal experiences.

 

[tkilgour]

Screamleons and FLchams have incredible Sambavas right now! No joke and their bloodlines are diverse. I have some but they are too youg to sell and need more time to grow. They are from a Screameleon Sambava Line. Sambavas are awesome! If you can wait 2 yrs for the mature colors, it is well worth the wait. My Sambavas turn into fire balls. They show intense yellow and vibrant reds and black barring with a sky blue lateral line. It is an incredible sight to see. Plus Sambavas tend to be larger than other locales in my experience.

As far a panthers being docile, I have caged adults who act like dogs and climb onto me everytime I open the door.