My first use of Oxytocin. Pics of eggs laying. Happy Ending!

Nicodemayo

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Well these past few weeks have been a pretty stressful one for me. Ive had a couple gravid sambava females, with one female having no issues with laying, and laid 23 large eggs after a little more than 3 weeks. Another female gave me a little more trouble than I was hoping for. This female in particular, was produced by Sandy and Elliot of Chameleons Northwest. A very beautiful greenish blue female thats very friendly, her name is Pauline. Well basically, she ate like a pig as usual for about 3 weeks until she went off food. All was well until until a week after she stopped eating she wasn't laying, nor showing any signs of laying. I had weighed her right after she stopped eating to get a quick idea of what kind of egg weight she was carrying. I will weigh females before (after they stop eating) and after they lay their eggs. She weighed 71g. I continued keeping an eye on her for laying behavior, and I would leave for most of the day and come back hoping for a skinny little Pauline, but nothing. She was in her normal enclosure for a week after she stopped eating with multiple laying bins, and a potted plant, until I decided it was time to toss her in the trash bin. I have fake plants and a planted pothos in that bin, and females will almost almost dig right at the pothos roots. I noticed some pacing more than usual so I figured she favored the trash can more than her own cage. Please note, while I watched over her, I had been viewing her through a small pin hole in a barrier around her cage, and a small hole in the lid of the trashcan. This trashcan has lights mounted in the lid, and I also mounted a misting nozzle to it as well so there is no need to bother her. Well despite the pacing, she never laid, and ended up just hanging out on her basking spot in her tub. I took a quick measurement of her weight, and she had lost alot of weight, down to 62g, but I knew she hadn't laid because she was packed full. After 36 days, and showing no signs of laying. I decided to resort to Oxytocin. It was a difficult decision and after calling my vet to request the drug, my vet advised me to wait a couple more days before pulling the trigger, nothing came after 2 more days, and she started to get a little lethargic, so I felt it was the right decision to use it. I was nervous about it, because I had never used this drug (and hopefully never have to any time soon)to get a female to lay. Long story short, I headed to the vet for some liquid calcium to inject and the oxytocin. I feared some sort of blockage was the reason for her not digging, so I was hoping everything would work out. Well, it took her about 30 minutes to drop all of her eggs, and she laid 24 of them. All were white, with normal shape and size to them, nothing out of the ordinary. I am not sure what would have cause her to not lay, and I always keep contact to an absolute minimum if possible when a female is laying. I did a thorough palpation of her after, and she is completely empty. sigh of relief. Perhaps my laying bins weren't quite right, or she wasn't digging (no pun intended) my sand and coconut fiber media. Its a delicate process if a female doesn't favor your environment, because you dont know if she'll even favor the next setup (trash bin) you have in store for her. Damn women ;). But overall, everything ended well, and the eggs look good. I snapped some quick photos while she was laying. The last photo of her was taken this morning. She is eating great, is very alert, and is making a full recovery.




 
man o man that sounds like loads of fun. Glad everything worked out bud, she is a beauty. Awesome pictures you captured, Guess you can relax somewhat today! It is Sunday afterall
 
Glad she's doing OK. She looks great in that last photo. Thank you for taking her to the vet. Earlier this year her mom had to have oxytocin, too. Have no idea why, either. She never needed it before (started laying in 2007), and laid the secondary clutch without needing oxytocin (she always double clutches). So, hopefully your girl will be fine next time. BTW- Her eggs look BIG in those photos.
 
nice work nic!

How much did she weigh after laying those eggs?? you mention that she lost some weight while having eggs as well.. will so be ok and what was the reason why she was losing weight while gravid?
 
nice work nic!

How much did she weigh after laying those eggs?? you mention that she lost some weight while having eggs as well.. will so be ok and what was the reason why she was losing weight while gravid?

When she was done she weighed in at 49g. Id say the 2+ weeks of no food was the reason for the weight loss, and the reason I felt oxytocin was necessary. I didn't want her loosing so much weight, that she wouldn't have the strength to dig. Sandy, hopefully she wont need it with a retained clutch.
 
Hey Nic,

I'm heading to the vet this afternoon to try Oxytocin on a cham for the first time, myself. Thanks for posting this and giving me some good vibes. How do those eggs look now?
 
Eggs are looking pearly white and perfect so far. The female is doing fantastic as well. Just make sure you allow plenty of time for the liquid calcium to be absorbed before you give the Oxtocin. Wait at least 30min. The calcium gluconate suspension was 100mg/mL and the Oxytocin was 10 U/ml. Give .01mL per 15 grams of weight. I gave her .03mL of calcium gluconate and .04mL of Oxytocin. Hope this helps. Good luck, and let me know how it gos.

-Nic
 
wow! It's super weird this tread came up. I've used this stuff twice. The first time it didn't work. My female Nosy Be laid a clutch before and several months later double clutched. We ended up giving her four doses, but three eggs actually fused together and it was to large to pass. She ended up dying several days later, but you could tell it was working. She would spread her legs, lift her tail up, and you could see her contracting. Something like this is totally out of your control, but one of the risks breeding. I like to administer it subq right above the shoulder. Usually the females are dehydrated so while you are giving them a shot it doesn't hurt to inject some water mixed in with it. They will absorb it almost instantly and they look better within a few minutes. Good luck Kent!
 
Thanks, guys. This girl dropped an egg Saturday night and another three last night/this morning so I'm hoping it's not a blockage but she doesn't seem too interested in digging anymore. She's not large at all and still eating so I think we've got plenty of time. I'll let you guys know how it goes.
 
The pics of her actually laying are wonderful! I find it fascinating when they lay. I was lucky enough to watch Lily lay some of her second clutch (without her seeing me) and I was able to see her contracting and watch the eggs fall. Sadly, I wasn't at the right angle to see the eggs actually emerge from her vent. Fascinating pics - thanks for sharing!
 
I just cancelled the vet appointment because she's been completely underground for the last 3+ hours. He's working a morning shift tomorrow so I'm covered if she re-emerges without having laid them. Fingers crossed that I won't have to do that....
 
Skinny Faly. Saved us both a trip to the vet. :)

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