need help

[asianlatinremix]

Hi everyone i just got a veil-chameleon. i put him in a 75gal tank . he is adult size. I know he is under weights. he is like bones . he was raised in 10gal.
so i took this guy home . He will not eat . i gave him a basking spot of 105f and cage is 85f
which he seem to love . But i know they will not eat for awhile when they get moved to new place . Also i had a question about uvb lighting Do you thing 10.0 uvb is to much ? If so why? i just appen to have one on hand from my bearded dragon cage . i only used it for like month because i up graded his lights . so i have it on hand .

 

[summoner12]

Hi everyone i just got a veil-chameleon. i put him in a 75gal tank . he is adult size. I know he is under weights. he is like bones . he was raised in 10gal.
so i took this guy home . He will not eat . i gave him a basking spot of 105f
which he seem to love . But i know they will not eat for awhile when they get moved to new place . Also i had a question about uvb lighting Do you thing 10.0 uvb is to much ? If so why?

That is too much UVB. Buy a Reptisun 5.0 tube lamp. Lower the basking temp to 87-95. You don't want to cook the guy. What kind of 75 gallon tank, a glass tank? If it is glass you need to buy a screened cage. Chameleons need air flow. They also need moisture, which is why you need to mist his cage 3 times a day for about 5 minutes each misting session. Read this link, it will give you lots of info.

Edit: If you could post some pictures of your setup, that would help.

 

[Kevin1873]

I agree with summoner, lower the basking temp and get a screen cage, LLLreptile.com, FLChams.com have good screen cages. Chams can see their reflection in the glass and it makes them really stressed out but they need good air-flow like summoner suggested. It will take him a while to get use to his new environment, but if u give him a good home he should eventually come around and start eating again. He just might be a little too stressed and hot in a glass cage, plus those things raise the humidity way too high for a cham. As far as the 10.0 vs the 5.0 reptisun UVB bulb, make sure you get one of these, stay away from the compact bulbs of any kind. The only diff between the two is that the 10.0 puts out 5% more UVB and the rays extend up to 24 inches instead of 12 inches like the 5.0 so it depends on how deep the cage is and what kind of mesh the cage is made up of when u decide against the two UVB bulbs. Chams like to be up high so u should keep him above eye level.

 

[asianlatinremix]

well it night time and it about 77f . i just readed some where that they need basking of 90-105f.

here the link i read
http://www.kingsnake.com/rockymountain/RMHPages/RMHveiled.htm
it is under heating and lighting

but i'm sure you guys are right since you have charmeleons.
This guy was giving to me. i just happen to have some stuff on hand.
but i'll go to the local pet store and buy him a new set up . i know reptile shop that make big chameleon cages.

also i do mist the cage down. alot and i also made a dripper out of plastic cup and air line and air nozzle for fish to control the dripping. and the top is made out of mesh. so he alway in the middle of the tank so i'm sure he ok with air flow .
i only did this as quick set up till i get a chance to buy all of his stuff he needs.
it beats his 10gal tank he lived in.


but thanks for the advice i'll be lookin in to his new set up when i get off of work tommrow

 

[summoner12]

Just to help save you some money check out the online stores listed above. You could have an A++++ setup for around 200 dollars tops. Something you would never have to worry about.

If you like I can put up a 'wish list' for you.

 

[summoner12]

i only did this as quick set up till i get a chance to buy all of his stuff he needs.
it beats his 10gal tank he lived in.

Sorry I scanned your post and skipped this bit. Yes it is much better than what he was in. It is good you are open to suggestion and help. Some people don't even try. There are a lot of people willing to help out. Just ask anything on your mind and people will be there for ya.

 

[asianlatinremix]

I hate to buy stuff online . The place i'm going is a really good friend of mine , they give me almost cost price . So i really don't break the bank. i'm sure i can get nice set up for cheap from them.
The person that gave me this guy knew i had alot of reptiles.
so alot of stuff i have on hand . This is just a 1st to have. I was even thinking about making a cage . i have alot of wood and mesh in my shed. I'm sure i could build him 3'w,4'l,6'h cage out of all the mesh and wood i have. Becuse i make my lids for my tanks and i just made big cage for my tegu and have alot of stuff left over.

or should i still buy his cage?

 

[chamlover]

You said you have alot of reptiles so i am assuming you know what to offer him. When mine get pissy about what they want to eat, hornworms and silkworms are always taken very quickly. i agree with everyone else. Lower the temps and use screeen cages and change to a 5.0 uvb. My biggest male veiled LOVES THE HIGH TEMPS, but doing that you can end up burning him. Mine came with problems as well and he got really high up to the light all the time, combine that with numerous previously shedding problems and the poor guy lost half his casque and most of his dorsal, because of necrosis. It literally fell off, thankfully with the help of the vet. So don't let him dictate what the temps are going to be. Have you done your research on vit and calcium w and w/o d3 for chams?

Good Luck,
Debby

 

[asianlatinremix]

You said you have alot of reptiles so i am assuming you know what to offer him. When mine get pissy about what they want to eat, hornworms and silkworms are always taken very quickly. i agree with everyone else. Lower the temps and use screeen cages and change to a 5.0 uvb. My biggest male veiled LOVES THE HIGH TEMPS, but doing that you can end up burning him. Mine came with problems as well and he got really high up to the light all the time, combine that with numerous previously shedding problems and the poor guy lost half his casque and most of his dorsal, because of necrosis. It literally fell off, thankfully with the help of the vet. So don't let him dictate what the temps are going to be. Have you done your research on vit and calcium w and w/o d3 for chams?

Good Luck,
Debby

i took care of all that . i do have vit and calcium w and w/o d3. i did read up on it . i already got the 5.0 i found it in my shed i forgot i had it for my tegu , i used it for a month and than up graded it when i made his new cage . i only did this to get him out 10gal tank that he lived in before . so it was kindda of quick set up, only temp use . by the weekend i should have time to buy a new set up or make one. Or what if i put him in a big bird cage 3x2x4. i used to keep my sugar gilder in them . it pertty much brand new . i can wash it out really good . that will give him max air flow and it can hold him over till the end of the week when i get his new cage . plus i never seen horn or slik worm around here.
but i do have super, wax , mealworms , and lots of crickets. i keep about 2500 cricket on hand so i can feed them good stuff for my 2tegus ,and 3 blue tongue skinks . they like to eat alot . everyday . i'd say they eat 1lbs of food a day each + veggies
also my geckos and bearded dragons.

I'm just new to the whole chem thing. thats why i asked . I was thinking of taking him to the vet . because he is way under weights. I read some where if they eat and not gain weights they might have worms? before i took this guy home i knew he ate about 10-12 crickets a day . i have to get picture of him to show how under weight he is .

 

[asianlatinremix]

need help update pictures

so i took ths guy outside today to soak up some sun lights
i just really worryed about this guy .

but here are the pictures.

how old do you think he is ?

 

[royden]

https://www.chameleonforums.com/how-ask-help-66/

We need more info asianlatinremix.

He actually looks fairly healthy to me in the photos besides a possibly bendy wendy forearm there, which would be really bad if it was MBD. He looks like he's possibly 6 to 9 months old? But I'm not sure about that.

You need to tell us why your worried about him as well as filling out the questionare.

 

[asianlatinremix]

https://www.chameleonforums.com/need-help-10505/
this is the other post let.

But this is what i did so far . i got him 5.0 uvb and baking light at 95.
temp about 80 now and 70 on end of the tank the cool side (75gal glass tank). i'm going to buy him new set up this weekend or make one.
right now he out side in my old sugar glider cage soakin in some sun . the cage is 3'x2'x4'tall on a stand. he about 6ft off the ground . it half shaded with some branches in side (i made sure to disinfect every thing in bleach). i've been misting like crazy. but going to put him back inside in bit .

i know the 75 is not good for him. but it only temp. till i get his new set up .
this guy was giving to me. and he grew up in 10gal tank. so this is better than living in 10gal tank . i'll post more picture when i get his new set up .

and he does not have bendy wendy forearm . it looks strights to me. i think it was just the angle of the picture.

 

[asianlatinremix]

so he does not seem skinny ? i mean you can see all of his ribs ?

 

[royden]

Hey asianlatinremix,

I have an 11 month old veiled. Remember how the veiled is capable of blowing up his body like a balloon, or flattening out to resemble a leaf. Even the ability to flatten out horizontally as well as vertically, so don't mistake his fear of you and defense response as skinniness. I have a very lean veiled because I can't get him to eat any worms. I offered him silkworms for the first time this week to try to fatten him up and he's eating them, but he won't eat anything else wormlike. He's been on a pretty strict dubia diet.

My point being that i know my veiled is leaner then most, but I also know that he's healthy. I can see his ribs when puffs up in certain ways too. But I don't see his ribs all the time.

I'm gonna guess that he's under 8 months. Anyone else?

I'm fairly new to the hobby but also fairly confident that from the pictures your guy looks ok to me. But I'd back up everything that was said here already about air ventalation and basking temps.

Good luck and wlecome to the boards!

 

[summoner12]

In the pictures he seems ok. He is flat and skinny like that because he wants to hide from you. Try putting a Ficus out in the sun and place him in it. sit back and watch him and he might get a little relaxed. He will make himself thin and tall so he can soak up the sun.

This is one of my boys. He is 8 months old.

Keep feeding him and giving him water. He will grow and fill out more.

About the UVB you have. what kind is it? and how long have you used it? A UVB only lasts for about 6 months before it should be replaced.

 

[asianlatinremix]

Today he blew up like a ballon and turn brown in the sun lights and when i get close to him he gets really skinny to where i can see all of his ribs . he also blows up when he is basking. is this normal?

 

[Dean Pulcini]

Hes increasing his size to catch more light and uv like alot of reptiles will do. Hes also turning darker to absorb more light. He looks a little thin but I wouldn't worry if hes eating. Most people use 5.0 I use 10.0 and mv bulbs on my panthers and carpets not both though. I have a uv meter and adjust the the output by using distance from the basking spot.

 

[summoner12]

Today he blew up like a ballon and turn brown in the sun lights and when i get close to him he gets really skinny to where i can see all of his ribs . he also blows up when he is basking. is this normal?

Its normal.

See. He isn't upset at all, just collecting sun raise.

 

[asianlatinremix]

ok good to know. just new to this

 

[summoner12]

ok good to know. just new to this

Just ask away. Better to ask then to let it go and find out something was wrong. But also use the search feature on the site. Lots of new people ask a lot of the same questions.