new THE BLACK VEILED

[sebs]

For those which did not see yet, prepare you to see assembling the new tendency as regards caused degeneration, exclusive with this edition of large Hamm of next March 13, it named well (or not): BLACK VEILED


http://www.terraristikahamm.de/inde...=show_ad&catid=9&adid=10364&Itemid=67&lang=de


the human one cannot be prevented from leaving the animal in are initial state, it is sad. Which interest, except the money, you will say to me .....?

 

[bradley]

yh ive seen these they are bred here in england. I have seen alot of veileds with extra black at the moment

 

[Chameleonboy]

Hmmm, I still like the translucent chams better.

-Clemonde

 

[ShaunaLynnA]

poor things look sickly! I like the morphs such as transluscent and high orange etc better!

 

[laurie]

I must be lame. I went to the sight and never saw a chameleon.

 

[hallenhe]

I must be lame. I went to the sight and never saw a chameleon.

It took me a moment, but below the bar showing tortoise, frog, etc., there's a box announcing "new mypermelanistic morph", and with pix of juvie, adult, etc. (at least on my server, at the particular moment in time in which I happened to look...)

 

[Red Island]

Color morphs are highly sought after in the reptile keeping hobby, im surprised so many chameleon keepers are so sensitive with this topic. I would like to see those keepers put down an albino ambilobe if they hatched it out. Just my opinion ...

 

[Jakedn]

Color morphs are highly sought after in the reptile keeping hobby, im surprised so many chameleon keepers are so sensitive with this topic. I would like to see those keepers put down an albino ambilobe if they hatched it out. Just my opinion ...

Why would I want to pay a lot more for a chameleon with a genetic defect?

 

[justjumpit621]

Pardon me, but those pictures are from this persons post: https://www.chameleonforums.com/hypermelanistic-yemen-chameleons-veiled-35227/

 

[Texas Panther Man]

I don't care for them. Jmo but i'm not into albino color morphs or hypermelanistic morphs.(pardon my spelling) I do really like the turqouis blues and high oranges in the veileds though. But those are natural morphs found in veileds. I just don't like the whole stigma of inbreeding to produce colors in any type of animal.

 

[Chameleonboy]

Pardon me, but those pictures are from this persons post: https://www.chameleonforums.com/hypermelanistic-yemen-chameleons-veiled-35227/

The truth comes out. The question is, is that guy a phony stealing other peoples photos or are they his chams. Dun Dun Dun. Still like translucent's better.

-Clemonde

 

[Carlton]

Color morphs are highly sought after in the reptile keeping hobby, im surprised so many chameleon keepers are so sensitive with this topic. I would like to see those keepers put down an albino ambilobe if they hatched it out. Just my opinion ...

Color in chameleons is a constantly changing, transitory thing and one of the reasons "we" love them. Maybe the natural ability to change color is fascinating enough...the "baseline" color isn't the key attraction necessarily, but the color change process, tongues, attitude, eyes, tails, feet characteristics are. Because we can get an array of color in one animal maybe we are not as interested in producing exaggerated colors by selective breeding. What concerns me about really selective breeding is the unseen mutations or defects that get magnified along with an extreme color. I've never really understood the attraction for albinos...with their light sensitivity, health problems, short lives, etc. Subjecting an animal to a less than great life just for a color and profit seems cruel.

 

[tkilgour]

Cainschams has 2 High Yellow Veileds for me and I can't wait to get them. They are going to have some serious color. I also have some High end transluscents that are going to look super cool. I'd love to have some with black too.

 

[JAdrig]

People tend to prefer RARE animals...Why would someone want a chameleon as opposed to a goldfish? Because it is more rare and different.
Every color morph/locality is a result of selective breeding/ genetic isolation whether in captivity or in the wild. No big deal...
Inbreeding is natural...Speciation is a result of gene pools being isolated over time.
genetic isolation is not cruel...look at dogs and cats...

 

[JAdrig]

English Mastifs cost a whole lot more than a mut at the shelter, but you will still have people buying a $2,000 dog that only lives 5-8 years as opposed to a mut that would live much longer...

 

[Texas Panther Man]

Yeah a classic ex is dogs and cats. Inbreeding results in far more med conditions and an animal that suffers because someone wants more wrinkles or a bigger head. I have english bulldogs and i cringe when i hear about people breeding related bloodlines.

 

[ColorCham427]

I can't stand the trans. and now ones with black spotting? I just dont get it... Guess there are enough odd ball collectors out there huh? lol its all good!

 

[Texas Panther Man]

Don't mean to rant but i just got a nosy faly from Heroic Chams. I asked Chuck if he had any unrelated fems he said no. Now i want to breed my faly in the future. But im not about to breed him w a siblng and chuck was honest enough to not sell me one. Hes an honest reputable breeder and when I bred in the past so was I. I'm going to just have to wait til I can find my man a gf.
The whole they breed w siblings in the wild doesn't mean we should practice this method of husbandry! They also have other bloodlines in the wildd to cross into those related offspring.

 

[Jakedn]

When inbreeding occurs only a percentage of the offspring will have genetic defects. However, the deeper you go into inbreeding the higher the percentage gets. I am not saying I agree with inbreeding but if it is done right (culling the ones with genetic defects) you can successfully breed something positive and consistent into a species or breed. The thing is, many times it is not done correctly and you end up with a weaker bloodline.

In nature inbreeding does occur, however, it is not a problem there because the ones with bad genetic defects will die off leaving the ones with good genetic health to pass on their genes. When we line breed to achieve something many times people shield the offspring from the course of nature and give special care so that they survive, which then allows the genetically compromised to possibly reproduce passing on bad genes weakening the bloodline.

 

[jojothefirst]

I dont get the attraction. Fair enough if there were rare and a good colour, but black? they look worse than normal veileds to me!