Parson chameleon, Why so expensive!

[AaronK]

Right there with you it will be another 2 and a half years before my female is 5 years and that's the earliest I will be breeding her, but if she is not up to my standards as far as size, weight and health breeding will be put on the back burner.

 

[Dragon1516]

Right there with you it will be another 2 and a half years before my female is 5 years and that's the earliest I will be breeding her, but if she is not up to my standards as far as size, weight and health breeding will be put on the back burner.

Well i have another 3 years for most of mine but they are growing very fast and there is never a shortage of food or types of food they get at least 15 different insects throughout the week to keep them eating as much as they want.

 

[Twitchet]

My female is 4.5 years old and the male is 1.5 years but to be honest I doubt whether I would breed even if I could think I could manage 2 years safe incubation I don't think there are sufficient numbers of potential owners in the u.k so I'd have to sell abroad, I think unless I had like people do with dogs and make a 'puppy list' of owners,two years is a long time for people to wait though lol, I wouldn't breed, don't care about money, don't want them going off into the world unless I knew there's lots of great owners lined up for them , I have one @Remkon but would need a few more!

 

[Andee]

I agree here in a lot of ways with @Twitchet, if I raise chameleons I would grill people (but course offer to school people and support them if need be too with extra feeders I had available etc). I don't want any of my babies going to a bad home, but I also get that life is horrible sometimes at the worst time, so if I have the ability to help even in small ways such as giving some feeders to help save money especially if some goes into a vet fund for the little guy/girl who was bought from me? I would be fine with it.

 

[Remkon]

I'd breed em and see how it goes.
For you it's an unique experience and for the species more on the market means less WC, atleast to some extend.

If you can't find em good owners keep it at the one time experience.

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

For me Parsonii Chameleons are the best and worthy of their expensive price for plenty of reasons. First they are the largest of the chameleons and have a grandeur about them and the way that they move and behave that is almost majestic for the chameleon world. This grandeur makes them require large oversized enclosure that other chameleons species do not require. Some of these enclosures are just awesome. These large enclosures have manifested into large indoor, walk-in outdoor and even giant greenhouse enclosures. Second Parsonii have got spectacular coloring that is the epitome of the extremes of coloration of chameleons in the reptile world. For such a large species to have colors that rival Furcifer pardalis is amazing. Third they are selective hunters more so than most other species of chameleons. Parsonii Chameleons have been known to accept a wider range of feeders from small vertebrates to adult Parsonii deliberately snacking on pinhead crickets. Watching these giants selectively hunt is a site that is on its own level. However because of this selectivity Parsons Chameleons have been knows to go on hunger strikes. This species demands the best. Fourth they are a long lived species. Parsonii Chameleons live much longer than most other species of chameleons and that alone makes them worth more. Fifth they are difficult to breed and difficulty of husbandry. They require extended periods and unique conditions to live healthy lives and to breed. Since these advanced husbandry levels are required for anyone who wants to keep and breed this species, if they are having trouble paying the bill for the retail price for a Parsonii if they want to breed chameleons they should reconsider before buying a pair of Calumma parsonii parsonii. The high price stops prospect keepers from buying an advanced level chameleon on a whim when this spectacular species maybe something some keepers are not ready for. Six the general costs of husbandry of Parsonii chameleons. If you are having problems paying the retail price for a Parsonii Chameleon the general cost of husbandry for this species is much more than other species and can be difficult for some keepers to afford. If you cannot pay the high retail price of a Parsonii you may want to reconsider as the retail price is a good general minimum ball park price about the yearly husbandry expenses of a Parsons Chameleons. Lastly this Parsonii Chameleons are worth there high price tag as they appear to me to have got a higher IQ than any other species of chameleon I have kept. I actually have got a a working evolving relationship with my Parsonii Chameleons. That alone makes them worth their high price tag.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

 

[Dragon1516]

For me Parsonii Chameleons are the best and worthy of their expensive price for plenty of reasons. First they are the largest of the chameleons and have a grandeur about them and the way that they move and behave that is almost majestic for the chameleon world. This grandeur makes them require large oversized enclosure that other chameleons species do not require. Some of these enclosures are just awesome. These large enclosures have manifested into large indoor, walk-in outdoor and even giant greenhouse enclosures. Second Parsonii have got spectacular coloring that is the epitome of the extremes of coloration of chameleons in the reptile world. For such a large species to have colors that rival Furcifer pardalis is amazing. Third they are selective hunters more so than most other species of chameleons. Parsonii Chameleons have been known to accept a wider range of feeders from small vertebrates to adult Parsonii deliberately snacking on pinhead crickets. Watching these giants selectively hunt is a site that is on its own level. However because of this selectivity Parsons Chameleons have been knows to go on hunger strikes. This species demands the best. Fourth they are a long lived species. Parsonii Chameleons live much longer than most other species of chameleons and that alone makes them worth more. Fifth they are difficult to breed and difficulty of husbandry. They require extended periods and unique conditions to live healthy lives and to breed. Since these advanced husbandry levels are required for anyone who wants to keep and breed this species, if they are having trouble paying the bill for the retail price for a Parsonii if they want to breed chameleons they should reconsider before buying a pair of Calumma parsonii parsonii. The high price stops prospect keepers from buying an advanced level chameleon on a whim when this spectacular species maybe something some keepers are not ready for. Six the general costs of husbandry of Parsonii chameleons. If you are having problems paying the retail price for a Parsonii Chameleon the general cost of husbandry for this species is much more than other species and can be difficult for some keepers to afford. If you cannot pay the high retail price of a Parsonii you may want to reconsider as the retail price is a good general minimum ball park price about the yearly husbandry expenses of a Parsons Chameleons. Lastly this Parsonii Chameleons are worth there high price tag as they appear to me to have got a higher IQ than any other species of chameleon I have kept. I actually have got a a working evolving relationship with my Parsonii Chameleons. That alone makes them worth their high price tag.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

They are definitely a chameleon you have to have money to keep in no way is keeping parsons cheap.

 

[Matt Vanilla Gorilla]

For me Parsonii Chameleons are the best and worthy of their expensive price for plenty of reasons. First they are the largest of the chameleons and have a grandeur about them and the way that they move and behave that is almost majestic for the chameleon world. This grandeur makes them require large oversized enclosure that other chameleons species do not require. Some of these enclosures are just awesome. These large enclosures have manifested into large indoor, walk-in outdoor and even giant greenhouse enclosures. Second Parsonii have got spectacular coloring that is the epitome of the extremes of coloration of chameleons in the reptile world. For such a large species to have colors that rival Furcifer pardalis is amazing. Third they are selective hunters more so than most other species of chameleons. Parsonii Chameleons have been known to accept a wider range of feeders from small vertebrates to adult Parsonii deliberately snacking on pinhead crickets. Watching these giants selectively hunt is a site that is on its own level. However because of this selectivity Parsons Chameleons have been knows to go on hunger strikes. This species demands the best. Fourth they are a long lived species. Parsonii Chameleons live much longer than most other species of chameleons and that alone makes them worth more. Fifth they are difficult to breed and difficulty of husbandry. They require extended periods and unique conditions to live healthy lives and to breed. Since these advanced husbandry levels are required for anyone who wants to keep and breed this species, if they are having trouble paying the bill for the retail price for a Parsonii if they want to breed chameleons they should reconsider before buying a pair of Calumma parsonii parsonii. The high price stops prospect keepers from buying an advanced level chameleon on a whim when this spectacular species maybe something some keepers are not ready for. Six the general costs of husbandry of Parsonii chameleons. If you are having problems paying the retail price for a Parsonii Chameleon the general cost of husbandry for this species is much more than other species and can be difficult for some keepers to afford. If you cannot pay the high retail price of a Parsonii you may want to reconsider as the retail price is a good general minimum ball park price about the yearly husbandry expenses of a Parsons Chameleons. Lastly this Parsonii Chameleons are worth there high price tag as they appear to me to have got a higher IQ than any other species of chameleon I have kept. I actually have got a a working evolving relationship with my Parsonii Chameleons. That alone makes them worth their high price tag.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

I love your detailed responce and eligant angle!

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

They are definitely a chameleon you have to have money to keep in no way is keeping parsons cheap.

They are a chameleon that you have to be prepared for a lot to take care of and that requires time and finances.

I love your detailed responce and eligant angle!

Thanks Matt!

I did not even state all the attributes that make Parsons Chameleons worth paying top dollar.

Of the top of my head number eight is they have unique Parsonii physical attributes such as soft Parsonii scales, males and females large casques with lobes, males have some of the best and largest rostral blades in the chameleon world, and their agility for a large heavy built chameleon. Plus there are other attributes.

Nine is that they can handle extremely cold temperatures compared to other Madagascar chameleons.

Ten they are a large species you can free range outside in a bush or tree without concern of losing as with a mid to small size chameleon etc..

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

 

[Matt Vanilla Gorilla]

I just love their personalities so much! Gentle inteligent giants! When they look at one, it feels like they see your soul! I love my amazing OE Parsons! I payed top dollar for them and would do so again!

 

[Bigsky]

Right there with you it will be another 2 and a half years before my female is 5 years and that's the earliest I will be breeding her, but if she is not up to my standards as far as size, weight and health breeding will be put on the back burner.

Do they lay eggs even if they have not mated?

 

[AaronK]

Do they lay eggs even if they have not mated?

Yes they can lay an infertile clutch without mating.

 

[Bigsky]

Yes they can lay an infertile clutch without mating.[/QUOTE
]lf the female is laying eggs, why wait to breed her?

 

[Dragon1516]

Let me explain it like this ok so a parsons that is 3 years old is basically like a 13 year old girl. Now yes could she have a kid, yes she could but at that age her body isn't developed fully so having a kid at that age will hurt her reproductive system and will more than likely have health issues because of that down the road.

 

[Bigsky]

Let me explain it like this ok so a parsons that is 3 years old is basically like a 13 year old girl. Now yes could she have a kid, yes she could but at that age her body isn't developed fully so having a kid at that age will hurt her reproductive system and will more than likely have health issues because of that down the road.

so, fertile eggs are harder on her than nonfertile eggs?

 

[Bigsky]

so, fertile eggs are harder on her than nonfertile eggs?

 

[Dragon1516]

so, fertile eggs are harder on her than nonfertile eggs?

Females laying infertile clutches has everything to do with the amount of food they get, the amount of supplements they get as well as hibernation. If done right you can keep them from laying eggs before they are ready However to answer your question No the physiological effect on the female is the same regardless of wether the clutch is fertile or not.

 

[Bigsky]

Females laying infertile clutches has everything to do with the amount of food they get, the amount of supplements they get as well as hibernation. If done right you can keep them from laying eggs before they are ready However to answer your question No the physiological effect on the female is the same regardless of wether the clutch is fertile or not.

I raise chickens. Female chicks are born with the ability to lay a certain number of eggs. When they are ready, they will begin to lay eggs. Egg fertility is mostly determined by presence of sperm. Eggs are laid even though they haven't mated. No reason to delay the onset of chicken oviposition. When they are ready, they are ready. Guess I was comparing chickens with chameleons, that was the basis for my question. I am sure that you know way more than me about chams. Cheers.

 

[Dragon1516]

I raise chickens. Female chicks are born with the ability to lay a certain number of eggs. When they are ready, they will begin to lay eggs. Egg fertility is mostly determined by presence of sperm. Eggs are laid even though they haven't mated. No reason to delay the onset of chicken oviposition. When they are ready, they are ready. Guess I was comparing chickens with chameleons, that was the basis for my question. I am sure that you know way more than me about chams. Cheers.

I know alot but am always learning. And asking questions is how we all learn and its always welcome.

 

[leedragon]

I belive it takes more nutrient of the female to store in the eggs the nutrients that will go for the development of the Young than if there was just plain infertile eggs.