recomended supliments and fodder ?

atsutane

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I dont have a cham quite yet, im doing my best to know everything i need to know b4 hand so after doing a ton of reading and researching im asking you all for your expertise since most websites are mixed on their stance (if they even have one)

i am looking at getting a baby male veiled cham as a stater
i have the recommended lighting ( reptiglo 10.0 uvb and sunglo neodymium basking lamp) in a medium screen cage (18x18x20 i built my self for around 60$ and a lot of hard work) with a hibiscus and some other non toxic foliage

from what i understand too much of any vitamin supplement can be bad, but A is something i should watch out for. their diet should be in a calcium to phosphorus ratio of 2:1, and i should rotate vitamin supplements and food to give a good balanced diet

As of right now i only have Nekton-rep Color as a multivitamin supplement, the website said it was a good multivitamin for reptiles with additives to enhance color.



What would you recommend in addition to this supplement (nekton -rep color), and on what kind of rotation should i have my supplements on?

i was thinking reptivite and a simple plain calcium supplement because the reptivite and the nekton both have considerable amounts of vitamins (especially A) and rotate with calcium twice, then a multivitamin, switching the multivitamin between the nekton and reptivite. (ex calcium, calcuim, reptivite, calcium, calcium, nekton)



how often should i supplement?

i was thinking every other time i feed while he is growing then back off to every 3rd time after 8 months or so.



What should be my main choice when i choose a prey? (i understand the importance to rotate)

as for fodder, i hear crickets and mealworms are most often used. less often are fruitfly larva and silk worms. but crickets and mealworms lack in nutrition. i was thinking about mainly feeding silk worms, while rotating crickets, meal, super, hornworms (obviously of appropriate size and depending on how picky my cham is about eating things).



and finally what would be good to gutload my prey with?

initially i thought fishflakes and lettuce and such (with rotation of other stuff for the bugs to munch), but some people say that's not a good choice...




sorry for how longwinded this all was, I'm just trying to pick your brains for the best knowledge and keep my cham healthy and happy
 
Do a search. Multivitamin once a month, calcium with d3 two to three times a month, calcium without d3 five times a week. No phos or vit A.

Gutload crickets and supers (and the occational silkie) with greens like kale, collard greens, mustard greens, dandelion greens, and endive. Other fruits and veggies like carrots, apples, oranges, squash, and berries.

I would not feed meal worms because of their high chitin level (or at least not more than two times a month.) there are quite a few feeders you can use, but you need to research them.
 
what exactly is in the Nekton-rep Color multivitamin supplement - can you please type out the full ingredients list and analysis info? Knowing What it contains will help us help you decide how much and how often to use it, and whether or not you will need any other vitamin supplement powder.

You will need a plain, phosphorous free calcium powder, which you will use fairly regularily.

And you will want another powdered calcium that also contains D3. What brand you get, as well as how often the chameleon gets outside in the natural light of day, will influence how often you use it.

Read this https://www.chameleonforums.com/blogs/sandrachameleon/65-supplements.html for more info on supplementing.

I use plain calcium on every cricket and most superworms (but not on other insects) to correct the poor calcium to phosphorous ratio of crickets. I use a calcium with D3 powder twice a month, and a little vitamin supplement twice a month.

You are right to want to rotate the prey choices you offer the chameleon. It keeps the chameleon interested in its food (rather than getting bored or getting spoiled by one favourite to the exclusion of other things). And Vitamins and minerals are best supplied through a diversity in prey, as every bug brings somthing different "to the table" by its natural make up and by what you are able to gutload (feed it) with. this blog entry has a good list of commonly used feeder insects: https://www.chameleonforums.com/blogs/sandrachameleon/74-feeders.html

Some good things to feed to the crickets (and cockroaches and superworms) include: dandelion leaves, collard greens, papaya, orange, raspberries, romain, squash, carrot, alfalfa... more info on gutloading:
https://www.chameleonforums.com/blogs/sandrachameleon/75-feeder-nutrition-gutloading.html
Fish flake food is NOT a good gutload choice, because it contains animal fat, animal proteins, and preformed vitamin A (a little is fine, too much is toxic).
 
Nekton-rep color
per 1000 g
vit A 6,666,000 IU
vit D3 125,000 IU
DL-alpha-tocopherol acetate 6,600mg
thiamine 670mg
riboflavin 1670mg
d-pantothenic acid 3300mg
niacineamide 10,000 mg
vitamin b6 670mg
folic acid 170mg
vitamin b12 3300 micro grams
asorbic acid 16,670 mg
menadione 1360 mg


their reasoning on the high ammount of vitamin a is for proper shedding and mucous membrane development

i understand due to the high levels of vitamin A this should be used rarely




also what are your stance on pheonix worms, i read that some chams do not like pheonix worms, but i imagine that is on a cham to cham basis

i figured they would be better because their cal:phos ratio is close to 1.5:1

thanks for the help
 
Most larger chameleons do not like phoenix worms but you can try them and see how it goes.

I would not use that multi vitamin because of the high vitamin A, or I would use it once or twice a year at most.
 
Nekton-rep color
per 1000 g
vit A 6,666,000 IU
vit D3 125,000 IU
DL-alpha-tocopherol acetate 6,600mg
thiamine 670mg
riboflavin 1670mg
d-pantothenic acid 3300mg
niacineamide 10,000 mg
vitamin b6 670mg
folic acid 170mg
vitamin b12 3300 micro grams
asorbic acid 16,670 mg
menadione 1360 mg

what is the SOURCE of the vitamin A? Beta Carotene doesnt build up in the system, whereas Retinol does. Is there not a better break down listed?
 
... ok rewriting this because my browser refreshed... XD... its been one of those days

ingredients nekton-rep Color
dextrose,calciumcarbonate
ascorbic acid
niacinamide
vitamin A
DL-alpha-tocopherol acetate
d-calcium pantothenate
ferrous sulfate
DL-methionine
L-lysine
riboflavin
menadione sodium bisulfite
zinc sulfate
manganese sulfate
artificial flavoring
canthaxanthin
apo-8-carotenoic acid
ethyl ester
pyridoxcine hydro chloride
thiamine hydrochloride
magnesium sulfate
copper sulfate
folic acid
cholecalciferol (vit d3)
calcium iodate
cobalt sulfate
vitamin b12 (cyanocobalamin)

thats all the info on the package, and the pamphlet can be found here

http://www.pdfdownload.org/pdf2html....de/Gebrauchsanweisungen/NEK-REP/ge-re--e.pdf

it offers no real help in determining anything

the only other information i could find was about how it was developed by a german vet who was having trouble keeping reptiles in captivity


im kicking myself because after getting this supplement in the mail i saw the expiration date is 2010/11

i guess i wont buy things online from vet clinics again

:/
 
well i wrote out all the ingredients on the label... twice, the first time my browser reset and the second time after i submitted it, the website advised me i needed to wait for a moderator to aprove my post... and its been a day or so...


so essentially there is very little information on this product, and some of the information i found said it didnt always contain the ingredients it said it was supposed to for every 1000g

as for vitamin A... in the ingredients it says just that... "Vitamin A"

im not sure how chemical savy you are but i will type the whole list out again if you are interested... most of the ingredients match the nutrition per 1000 grams meaning it doesnt really give a source...

im kicking myself for buying this product especially because after i recieved it i noticed the expiration date is 2010/11... and there is way more than i would use in the span of a year for a multi vitamin

goes to show, you need to be carefull when buying from individual vet clinics over the internet... they will sell you just about anything
 
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