suppliment schedule 5 month old male panther

[JackAttack]

hello all,

here is my schedule for my panther cham, Jude. please let me know if this is ok, as i have heard SO many different things on feedings and dustings.............after losing Jack, I want to make sure i'm doing things just so.

mon - fri.......... calcium
sat-sun...........calcium with D3
last two days of month.......reptivite with d3

 

[beeze]

Plain calcium at just about every feeding
Calcium with d3 twice a month
Reptivite once a month
Lightly dust feeders

I read about Jack for weeks and was really hoping he'd put through. I am very sorry that he didn't make it.

 

[yoza717]

I know this has been asked before, but I just want to ask again to see if there is new theories on why this shouldn't be done......
Has anyone premixed their suppliments to mimick the suppliment schedule everyone suggest?
For example,
25 parts Calcium
2 to 3 parts Calcium with D3
1 to 2 parts Reptivite.
That way you just dust everyday with the same formula. I would think that this method would be more consistant in providing the proper ratio of suppliments.

BTW...I still suppliment with the Schedule method, but I am really interested in trying premixing instead.

 

[Zen Reptiles]

Mixing is not a good idea. I forget the science behind it, but the molecules interact in a negative way and it makes them harder to absorb and less efficient.

You should supplement one thing at a time.

 

[Sporkthedork]

I thought the problem with pre-mixed supplements is you never know how much is actually in each dose. It's really hard to get a really homogenous mix. You'll get random percentage of each component. Take this random % schedule:
35% Herptivite, 10% Calcium, 55% Ca w/D3
25% Herptivite, 20% Ca, 55% Ca w/D3
30% Herptivite, 40% Ca, 30% Ca w/D3
10% Herptivite, 55% Ca, 35% Ca w/D3
20% Herptivite, 60% Ca, 20% Ca w/D3

I know it sounds like it shouldn't be like that if you're mixing it by the parts you want it, but microenvironments due happen when you mix stuff. A real life example is when you cook pasta sauce with garlic and sometimes you get a bite that had a little too much garlic. Another one is when you buy those ice cream flavors with candy bars in it and you'll get a spoon or two that had more candy bar bits. I personally love those spoons with a lot of candy bar but it's never consistent. Hmmm. Butterfinger ice cream.

 

[warpdrive]

I thought the problem with pre-mixed supplements is you never know how much is actually in each dose. It's really hard to get a really homogenous mix. You'll get random percentage of each component. Take this random % schedule:
35% Herptivite, 10% Calcium, 55% Ca w/D3
25% Herptivite, 20% Ca, 55% Ca w/D3
30% Herptivite, 40% Ca, 30% Ca w/D3
10% Herptivite, 55% Ca, 35% Ca w/D3
20% Herptivite, 60% Ca, 20% Ca w/D3

I know it sounds like it shouldn't be like that if you're mixing it by the parts you want it, but microenvironments due happen when you mix stuff. A real life example is when you cook pasta sauce with garlic and sometimes you get a bite that had a little too much garlic. Another one is when you buy those ice cream flavors with candy bars in it and you'll get a spoon or two that had more candy bar bits. I personally love those spoons with a lot of candy bar but it's never consistent. Hmmm. Butterfinger ice cream.

note to self:
if I ever start thinking like this, it's time to enjoy my Chameleon, and less on micro management.

Harry

 

[JackAttack]

Plain calcium at just about every feeding
Calcium with d3 twice a month
Reptivite once a month
Lightly dust feeders

I read about Jack for weeks and was really hoping he'd put through. I am very sorry that he didn't make it.

ok, so i will reduce the d3 intake then?

 

[jannb]

Yes, I agree with beeze's schedule. Too much d3 is not goos for them.

 

[JackAttack]

Yes, I agree with beeze's schedule. Too much d3 is not goos for them.

ok, i will be switching it to that schedule

 

[adprince0418]

Schedule for Panther Cham

Hello All,

I had the same question which Vince and Farrah at Screameleons gladly answered and gave me the following:

Repcal with D3 every other feeding
Reptivite once every 2 weeks
Herptivite once a week

make sure to lightly dust the crickets and not "cake" them in it.

He also said that every breeder has a different schedule but are very similar. I also asked Mike at FL Chams where I purchased my Panther Cham and his schedule was exactly the same except for the Reptivite.

Hope that helps.

 

[beeze]

Hello All,

I had the same question which Vince and Farrah at Screameleons gladly answered and gave me the following:

Repcal with D3 every other feeding
Reptivite once every 2 weeks
Herptivite once a week

make sure to lightly dust the crickets and not "cake" them in it.

He also said that every breeder has a different schedule but are very similar. I also asked Mike at FL Chams where I purchased my Panther Cham and his schedule was exactly the same except for the Reptivite.

Hope that helps.

I think you might have this schedule wrong. Tha's too much d3 and vitamins and not enough calcium.

 

[KShook]

Here you go: This is from TheChameleonHabitat...This is there Suppliment Schedule!

We use three different types of supplements here. For our sub-adult to adult chameleons we dust with:

~Herptivite multi-vitamin once a week
~Miner-all and a calcium/D3 supplement is used 2-3 times a week.

Some variations are expected due to size and maturity of the chameleon.

Hope This Helps!

 

[JackAttack]

hello again i had forgotten about this thread...............


so this is my current schedule for Jude, an 8 month old male panther............is this an ok schedule? there have been lots of opinions......

mon-fri............calcium
two weekends a month..........calcium with D3
two weekends a month..........Reptivite.


i hope this is a good intake! let me know your feedback

 

[Corpsman82]

hello again i had forgotten about this thread...............


so this is my current schedule for Jude, an 8 month old male panther............is this an ok schedule? there have been lots of opinions......

mon-fri............calcium
two weekends a month..........calcium with D3
two weekends a month..........Reptivite.


i hope this is a good intake! let me know your feedback

ya im doing pretty much the same thing but i have my Calcium W D3 and Reptivite more spread out through out the month. like one week ill use the d3 then the next week ill use reptivite then next week d3 then last week reptivite. im new to panther chams so i too would like to know if this is a decent schedule.
Edit*
(3 month panther cham kept indoors at all times)

 

[Zen Reptiles]

Males, females, neonates and juveniles all have different needs.

I'd even consider the care so different that you'd think they are different species alltogether.

Females of course need much more calcium, d3, and multi vitamin. The high dose repcal with d3 (400,000 IU of d3/KG), and herptivite would be good for adult females at early gestation and when they are gravid, and then again after laying to build calcium stores up in the body. Since calcium and d3 has calcium in it (a lot of people seem to forget that), then it might be a good idea to use a low dose ca and d3 dust such as Zoomed's (10,000-12,000 IU d3/kg) once every two days or so.

Alternatively, you could dust lightly every feeding with a low dose d3 such as Miner-all 1 (4,400 IU of d3/kg)

Babies need almost the same schedule as gravid females, until they are about full grown, but should have insects available at all times, whereas females should be watched to not over-eat which could cause complications.

Adult males need much less, calcium once or twice a week, d3 once or twice a month, and herptivite once or twice a month. Since males don't have the physical demand of making eggs, they tend to be much pickier with their food, and offering them a variety of insects alone will meet most of their nutritional needs.

I think over-supplementation is too common in all reptiles. My friend Shwa whose female veiled lived just over 10 years, he said his only secret is 'I don't overdo it on the supplements.' His male lived 13 years.

Gutload & a good UVB bulb is the best way to go for adult males, with this you only have to dust with calcium maybe once or twice a month (depending on what feeders you are using).

There are a LOT of variables. If you are using crickets and mealworms, yes you have to supplement more. If you are using silkworms, phoenix worms, butterworms, and roaches, then no you don't have to supplement near as much as most people do.

Think of supplements as sprinkling salt and pepper on YOUR food. You don't need much to get the desired effects, too much and you run into problems.

At the end of the day, quality insects and gutload + UVB or sunlight is all you need, babies and gravid females require a little extra for obvious reasons.

 

[sandrachameleon]

Males, females, neonates and juveniles all have different needs.
[...] There are a LOT of variables. If you are using crickets and mealworms, yes you have to supplement more. If you are using silkworms, phoenix worms, butterworms, and roaches, then no you don't have to supplement near as much as most people do.

I agree with these statements. There are indeed a lot of variables: brand of supplements and what they each contain; What do you gutload with; How often is the chameleon outside, having access to natural sunlight; What type of UVB lighting do you use; What types of insects/feeders are being used primarily, secondarily; Age, sex and type of chameleon .... There is no single answer or schedule to fit all situations.

What I do is near the bottom of this blog entry: https://www.chameleonforums.com/blogs/sandrachameleon/65-supplements.html