Uber Aggressive Veildeds
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Chamfan123
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My veiled wants to be taken out everyday and drinks straight from the mister in my hand. I have never had any problems with hand feeding so it just goes to show!
ocular_factitus
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Right, i guess i was reading with someone with mal intentions, like all those people on you tube filming them with a mirror on the side.
jojackson
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No such thing as an Aggressive reptile when referring to responses to humans, chameleon or otherwise. Substitute 'Aggressive' with 'defensive' and your on the money.
Aggressive is an anthropmorphism equal to 'my cham loves..' etc, yet it gets by, and is frequently used by the same folk who will call you on it if you say, 'my cham loves watching tv'. Ironic.
Gtarring, some are, some arnt so defensive. Apparently veilds grow less inclined to interferance as they age. Some remain fairly tolerant.
Aggressive is an anthropmorphism equal to 'my cham loves..' etc, yet it gets by, and is frequently used by the same folk who will call you on it if you say, 'my cham loves watching tv'. Ironic.
Gtarring, some are, some arnt so defensive. Apparently veilds grow less inclined to interferance as they age. Some remain fairly tolerant.
SimonBolivar
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Naturally their are territorial and aggressive. They gotta be.
But most chameleons have already had more than 5 generation born in captivity and separated from other chams.
Whatever agressiveness that migt remain is instinct. You'll be fine dude that chams gonna loverz you.
But most chameleons have already had more than 5 generation born in captivity and separated from other chams.
Whatever agressiveness that migt remain is instinct. You'll be fine dude that chams gonna loverz you.
ocular_factitus
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I'm not sure if this is directed towards me as far as wanting an aggressive Cham. I'm just trying to avoid getting one which isnt up to me. I was reading this http://www.zorabellarose.com/Caresheet/VeiledChameleons.pdf and flipped out when Eric A said how nasty and aggressive they can be....hahaha...
No i'm sorry it was my bad i thought you were proposing to attain one that was aggressive. Get em young, at least 8 months, i hold mine every day so he gets used to it.
Sometimes when i approach Google he puffs up, but i retard that behavior by scolding him in a stern voice so that it stops there.
Lizardlover
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if you have an aggressive veild nothing will change him, ive tried everything with mine and had him since he was 8 weeks old, and he is still one of the most aggressive veilds ive seen
dodolah
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I believe the whole aggressiveness of chameleon (or any animal in this matter) stems from fear and sometimes sickness.
To be perfectly clear, this is anecdotal at best. and I would never derive this conclusion to be a fact.
I have 2 chameleons that diagnosed with heavy infestation of coccidia (which I later found was originated directly from the source i bought them -long story).
They always seemed to be aggressive (Uber aggressive as you nicely put).
These 2 chams continued to be aggressive for many months while I was treating them. Getting bitten was not a rare story. Although in all occasion, I was smart enough to wear a thick glove to prevent injuries.
The first cham was treated with Albon in which he does not respond well.
The second cham was treated with Ponazuril. The drug works wonder.
And, I decided to stop the Albon treatment and gave the first cham Ponazuril as well.
Now they are clean and they are very healthy animals.
Then, their demeanor completely change after such treatment. Although, honestly, I am still a bit worry when handling them (during cage cleaning and so on), I have no longer feel the necessity to wear thick glove and they seems to tolerate me now.
My third cham, on the other hand, is as healthy as he can be from the start.
Clean checkup every single time.
He never has any aggressive behavior and taking him out of the cage is a piece of cake.
Here is a bit proof:
Sometimes, aggression derives from negative elements that can be originated from us (sound too obvious, isn't it?)
I always told people that respecting the animal is the best way to prevent aggression.
Respect their mood. If they don't want to get out, they don't want to get out.
They can and they will tell you when you invade their territory.
If we insist and corner our chameleon, then whose fault is it if, they start to fight back? It is not that they are there to get you.
Chameleon's basic instinct is to flee first and fight when cornered.
I have a general tip that you can try at home when you first received your chameleon in the mail (work best when you have a light dimmer).
When you accept the package, go immediately to your bathroom and turn on the shower for a minute or two so the room is a bit humid.
turn off your bathroom light and let it be a bit dark. Slowly open the package and offer the baby your finger to climb. Don't grab him. But, let him climb to you. and slowly brighten the room. and put him into the cage you set up already.
This imho will help to minimize the stress of your cham. Of course, this is not a necessity. But, this is the practice that I do now.
In a gist, yes you can get an aggressive veiled chameleon.. but, not to a point that you should be worry.
and there are ways to make him tolerate you without even the need of handling them.. The chameleon in the video has never been handled for reasons other than cage cleaning and sunning.
I firmly believe handling them everyday for the sake of "taming" them is unnecessary and a waste of time. It only cause them more stress in the end.
Is that answer your question?
To be perfectly clear, this is anecdotal at best. and I would never derive this conclusion to be a fact.
I have 2 chameleons that diagnosed with heavy infestation of coccidia (which I later found was originated directly from the source i bought them -long story).
They always seemed to be aggressive (Uber aggressive as you nicely put
).These 2 chams continued to be aggressive for many months while I was treating them. Getting bitten was not a rare story. Although in all occasion, I was smart enough to wear a thick glove to prevent injuries.
The first cham was treated with Albon in which he does not respond well.
The second cham was treated with Ponazuril. The drug works wonder.
And, I decided to stop the Albon treatment and gave the first cham Ponazuril as well.
Now they are clean and they are very healthy animals.
Then, their demeanor completely change after such treatment. Although, honestly, I am still a bit worry when handling them (during cage cleaning and so on), I have no longer feel the necessity to wear thick glove and they seems to tolerate me now.
My third cham, on the other hand, is as healthy as he can be from the start.
Clean checkup every single time.
He never has any aggressive behavior and taking him out of the cage is a piece of cake.
Here is a bit proof:
Sometimes, aggression derives from negative elements that can be originated from us (sound too obvious, isn't it?)
I always told people that respecting the animal is the best way to prevent aggression.
Respect their mood. If they don't want to get out, they don't want to get out.
They can and they will tell you when you invade their territory.
If we insist and corner our chameleon, then whose fault is it if, they start to fight back?
It is not that they are there to get you.Chameleon's basic instinct is to flee first and fight when cornered.
I have a general tip that you can try at home when you first received your chameleon in the mail (work best when you have a light dimmer).
When you accept the package, go immediately to your bathroom and turn on the shower for a minute or two so the room is a bit humid.
turn off your bathroom light and let it be a bit dark. Slowly open the package and offer the baby your finger to climb. Don't grab him. But, let him climb to you. and slowly brighten the room. and put him into the cage you set up already.
This imho will help to minimize the stress of your cham. Of course, this is not a necessity. But, this is the practice that I do now.
In a gist, yes you can get an aggressive veiled chameleon.. but, not to a point that you should be worry.
and there are ways to make him tolerate you without even the need of handling them.. The chameleon in the video has never been handled for reasons other than cage cleaning and sunning.
I firmly believe handling them everyday for the sake of "taming" them is unnecessary and a waste of time. It only cause them more stress in the end.
Is that answer your question?
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Lizardlover
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well you see mine tolerates me, as long as i dont invade his space...which is normal i guess haha.
Dunnigan
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I have found notes written by my chameleon plotting my death...i lock his cage now
I think jay hit the nail on the head. Moderate at best. It is a rare thing to find a chameleon that will tolerate being held. If that is the case i dont think it should be done unless it is necessary. I can tell my chameleons are uncomfortable if i bust into the room quick. I have to open the door slowly or else they run and hide...
Eric Adrignola
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I often joke about veileds being aggressive and mean because they come from the same place as osama bin laden - he's ethnically Yemeni. It's all in fun.
A lot of the high-energy chameleons are less docile than montanes. Panthers and veileds can be very nasty, especailly WC animals. This comes with thier toughness, it seems. Animals adapted to a harsh and varied environment tend to be hard and varied themselves.
If you truely desire a more docile chameleon, I would simply buy one. Getting a baby is a crapshoot. You are not sure what you're getting. Might be mean, it might not be.
If you want a chameleon that you are sure is going to be less-nasty, get one that is older. See it in person, handle it, etc. Captive bred panthers tend to be pretty nice. Veileds can be. But they can also be less friendly than a rattlesnake.
The least mean chameleons tend to be montane species, which are much more difficult to keep. They're also much more rarely bred in captivity. CB melleri and deremensis are two I have experience with, and the ones I've had are as close to "Friendly" as a reptile will get.
Lots of work though.
A lot of the high-energy chameleons are less docile than montanes. Panthers and veileds can be very nasty, especailly WC animals. This comes with thier toughness, it seems. Animals adapted to a harsh and varied environment tend to be hard and varied themselves.
If you truely desire a more docile chameleon, I would simply buy one. Getting a baby is a crapshoot. You are not sure what you're getting. Might be mean, it might not be.
If you want a chameleon that you are sure is going to be less-nasty, get one that is older. See it in person, handle it, etc. Captive bred panthers tend to be pretty nice. Veileds can be. But they can also be less friendly than a rattlesnake.
The least mean chameleons tend to be montane species, which are much more difficult to keep. They're also much more rarely bred in captivity. CB melleri and deremensis are two I have experience with, and the ones I've had are as close to "Friendly" as a reptile will get.
Lots of work though.
No such thing as an Aggressive reptile when referring to responses to humans, chameleon or otherwise. Substitute 'Aggressive' with 'defensive' and your on the money.
Aggressive is an anthropmorphism equal to 'my cham loves..' etc, yet it gets by, and is frequently used by the same folk who will call you on it if you say, 'my cham loves watching tv'. Ironic.
Gtarring, some are, some arnt so defensive. Apparently veilds grow less inclined to interferance as they age. Some remain fairly tolerant.
uh ohhh about the tv thing...ill post pics when i get them back but my otis would position himself on my foot and watch animal planet..no kidding if i changed the channel or turned it off he give me the evil eye. lol i thought it was funny
I bought my veileds sight unseen both older female 4 ,male 2. Female was very aggressive ,hissed every time I mist and approach cage except feeding time she seems to know then she is sweet(eats from my hand) ,she has gotten better. My son has named her Bewitch, the male will climb on you any chance he gets. I think they all have a personality of their own.
baggedd5087
Member
Haha i thought about naming my veiled osama bin laden.but then i didnt want him to blow up my house
eisentrauti
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