Under the chin sexing?

[burnedrose]

So, I happened to be thumbing through a book at LLL the other day and say something interesting.

Evidently, with panthers, if you check under the chin, males will be gray-green or otherwise "colorless", while females will show vibrant reds. I checked out the sexing panthers thread and two other people mentioned this method as well.

Has anyone else heard of this? Or do they know of any other methods besides the hemipenal bulge indication? What about other species - veileds, with the tarsal spur, and horned chameleons are the obvious ones - but anyone have any other unusual methods for other species?

I'm asking because, in all honesty, male and female panthers look exactly the same at the base of the tail to me. I see nothing different.

Moderators, feel free to delete this if it's a repeat. I just didn't see much conversation about alternate sexing methods in the search engine nor in the sticky thread.

 

[shaunaroxanne]

I have read that as well but I don't agree. I have had many males with red skin under the chin, including my Holdbacks from my current clutch. If you keep practicing, you will soon learn to spot the difference in the tale base. I look more for the line of the belly compared to the base of the tale. In a boy the line is almost straight across. In a female, her belly appears lower than her tail base. I also look at the shapes in the lateral line. On my bloodline the girls have a certain circle-ish shape at the shoulders. Not sure if that's true of all females, though.

 

[Randi]

I have read that as well but I don't agree. I have had many males with red skin under the chin, including my Holdbacks from my current clutch.

Agreed... my 3 month old male was showing some red under his chin at just over two months.

 

[burnedrose]

I have read that as well but I don't agree. I have had many males with red skin under the chin, including my Holdbacks from my current clutch. If you keep practicing, you will soon learn to spot the difference in the tale base. I look more for the line of the belly compared to the base of the tale. In a boy the line is almost straight across. In a female, her belly appears lower than her tail base. I also look at the shapes in the lateral line. On my bloodline the girls have a certain circle-ish shape at the shoulders. Not sure if that's true of all females, though.

It did mention that the chin thing is only certain locales, although it didnt mention which ones. That's why I'm hoping someone has some more info. What about girl with no red? Have you noticed that?

 

[shaunaroxanne]

Here is a male I just sold. Color is only one small piece of the formula, I would never rely on color alone because they can trick you!

 

[burnedrose]

Here is a male I just sold. Color is only one small piece of the formula, I would never rely on color alone because they can trick you!

wow - stunning!

 

[Lathelia]

The breeder I got my first cham used this method, but he said he does it only with ambanjas. He used it with our (very little at that time) ambilobe and he guessed right.
I don't think it's the best way to sex panthers, but it worked for him just fine

 

[rotinsky16]

The breeder I got my he/she from swears by this method too but I don't know how reliable it is. Apparently in nosy faly males should have blue/white chin and females have red.

This is my little chameleon, don't know if it is male or female as it is showing both colors.

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