Vocabulary Words
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MissSkittles
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I know CB, but what is CBB? I guess I’ve assumed it’s also ‘captive bred’ with an extra ‘B’ for something additional.
Not sure if it’s specific to chameleons, but when people say they have for example ‘ambilobe 2.1’. I think the numbers relate to gender, but which number is male & which is female?
Plus there’s the whole captive bred/wild caught classification of F1, etc.
^^^^^ Yes to the 2.1 thing and I get totally lost with F1 F2 blah blah blah
MBD= Metabolic Bone Disease, UVI= Ultraviolet Index, CH = Captive hatched... So wild caught female that had eggs right?
YBBB, RBBB Ok these I know know what they stand for but how are these applied and is it to certain Panther species? How many variations of these color codes are there?
MBD= Metabolic Bone Disease, UVI= Ultraviolet Index, CH = Captive hatched... So wild caught female that had eggs right?
YBBB, RBBB Ok these I know know what they stand for but how are these applied and is it to certain Panther species? How many variations of these color codes are there?
I take CB as captive bred but CBB as captive bred and born but I may be mixing it up. Captive hatched CH is clearer as bred in the wild hatched in house.
0.0.0 The first number is males and the second is females and a third number is undetermined. I have 1.7 at home.
F1 F2 is confusing.
UVA UVB UVC UVI Yep
0.0.0 The first number is males and the second is females and a third number is undetermined. I have 1.7 at home.
F1 F2 is confusing.
UVA UVB UVC UVI Yep
@jamest0o0 do you have any roach terms people don't always understand? nymph perhaps?
This might help...
http://www.chameleonnews.com/02MarStrandBlues.html
http://www.chameleonnews.com/02MarStrandBlues.html
MissSkittles
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That guy looks awful familiar…know I’ve seen him somewhere before.
That’s one funny looking chameleon that he’s holding.
snitz427
Chameleon Enthusiast
Yes he does... for example, I don't understand the terms he uses when he says roaches are "pretty," "cute," "cool," "the size of a small child," etc. I am ok with that, though!
snitz427
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Yes I find all of the above confusing. I had a clutch of CH (captive hatched) babies from my wild caught female. She was gravid when she was imported - so she mated in the wild, but laid her eggs in captivity. CB would be bred in captivity, but does that mean the parents were both wild caught? Its not quite as clear to me. I don't know what CBB means, but it would be helpful to be able to differentiate captive hatched, captive bred, and 100% raised in captivity by CB parents. I believe that is then where F1, F2, etc come in. I sent 2 of my babies off to a well-known keeper who was working on producing the first F1 clutch in the US... so he had a male CH baby (both parents were wild), and I sent him female CH babies (both parents were wild). Their offspring would be F1. Beyond that, the F's confuse me, but its essentially a way to track how far removed they are from the wild.
UVB and UVI I am familiar with. I am aware of UVA but not UVC, and not how I should really be leveraging either. Its been very helpful for me this summer, using The Weather Channel app, to track what the UVI is during each hour of the day in my city, as my chameleons spend a lot of time outside. When the weather is too cold, I try to take them out by hand for a brief trip outside - and I will check the app to see if its even worth doing. For example, anytime before 11am, or after 3:30 pm, in my area, right now, only has less than 1 UVI. So they are barely benefiting from it in terms of UVB (but they still get mental stimulation from it). Whereas, in mid summer, the UVI gets as high as double digits around lunch time - which is far too strong, and they retreat to the shade. In the app, if you scroll down to "today's details," there are various details such as Wind, Humidity, and UVI that you can click on to view their numbers by the hour. Very helpful in understanding how the natural UV rays rise and fall throughout the daylight hours.
snitz427
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Wow - he looks just like this guy Bill I know... but can't be him. He never wears a hat.
Those are applied to Ambilobe panthers to describe the different Ambilobe colorations and there are even more combos. Like my panther is YBRB (yellow body-red bar).
Below are two panthers that are both yellow bodied but you can see one has blue bars (textbook example) and then the one with more red bars is my guy Neptune.
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jamest0o0
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Hmmm… I’ve been out of the big hobby for a little while now so nothing comes to mind, but i’m sure there’s a bunch lol.
Where are these small child sized roaches? I must start breeding them.
MissSkittles
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CJ's Exotics
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I think that's why some breeders are using "CG #" for captive generation, as you can have a sire that could be an F4 and breed them to a wild caught and you'd be back at F1 if I'm not mistaken.
snitz427
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Yes, I think you are correct, which makes it even more confusing lol
oh wow...a lifetime ago!
CB has been used for captive bred and captive born which are two totally different things. A female Jackson's brought from the wilds of Hawaii into a retailer and has babies right then and there produces a clutch of "CB" Jackson's with only a shadow of the benefits that the term "captive born" suggests. So CB, while being the most commonly used, really is not a term that has a whole lot of information. Anytime you have to ask a more questions once you get a term you know you are dealing with a subpar term!
CBB = Captive Bred and Born which finally gives us something to hang our hat on. So this wasn't just an imported female that dropped a bunch of eggs on the bottom of her cage before being sent off to a new home. This was a female that was bred in captivity and the eggs were incubated. (whether in the ground or in the mother).
CH = Captive Hatched which is often used with wild caught females mated in the wild and laying eggs in captivity. While it does technically apply to a female that was bred in captivity, a breeder would not want to miss out on adding that valuable information.
WC - Wild Caught. Pretty self-explanatory!
Fx is the filial generations that measure how far the individual is from wild blood.
WC + WC = F1
WC + F1 = F1
WC + F10 = F1
F1 + F1 = F2
F1 + F10 = F2
F2 + F2 = F3
F2 + F10 = F3
F2 + WC = F1
F2 + F3 = F3
So, it always increments based off the number closest to the wild caught generations.
CG = Captive Generation. And this was implemented to retain the value of captive generations.
WC + WC = CG1
WC + CG1 = CG2
CG1 + CG1 = CG2
CG1 + CG2 = CG3
WC + CG2 = CG3
So, in this case, the CG number increases based on the highest CG number.
This has high importance when you are dealing with panther chameleons. If you purchase a 10th generation female panther chameleon you have the absolute best locale genetics refined over 10 generations. You know what this female is as good as is possible. This is an investment female. So mating her with an insanely colored male Wild Caught produces the same F1 as two wild caught chameleons where the female is unproven as far as locale. But with the CG system, the baby is CG11 which denotes the confidence in the colors. This was especially useful when dealing with blue morph Nosy Bes. The females with refined genetics were gold. Wild Caught males who could bring in wild genetics towards blue were highly valued for bloodline diversity. While, yes, the blue trait was common, it was good to mix up everything else.
He does look somewhat familiar!... Wow...just over 20 years ago...
