Which is better crickets or super/ morio worms?

[jojothefirst]

Hi,
Are crickets as good as, better than or worse than morio/ super worms?

I no someone who is going to use super worms as a staple (as they have a dislike to crickets and roaches). They are going to have varies other feeders aswell but these worms would be the main.

I have some info saying that this is fine but when people talk about staples roaches, crickets and silk worms and the main things mentioned.

Just wondering what peoples thought are about this.

 

[Miss Lily]

I think generally the more variety in the diet the better for the chameleon. I keep these feeders, although not always all at once, depending on availability! - Crickets, locusts, super/morio worms, silkworms, butterworms, phoenix worms, mealworms and waxworms. Both waxworms and mealworms are given occasionally as treats and I only give Amy the newly shed (white) mealworms.

 

[sandrachameleon]

A staple of just larva/worms would likely be too high in fat.
I too feel variety is important.

 

[lucky]

i feed mine crickets(sized appropriately) supers, dubia, and mealworms. i would like to get into some more variety and am about to start ordering silkies on a regular basis. hornworms might be added to that as well.

 

[warpdrive]

hi jojo,

I have to agree with Tiff when she says that a large variety in feeders is key to a healthy chameleon.

not that superworms are bad, it's just that they are high in fat as compared to crickets/dubias/silkworms...so they shouldn't be the main feeder if posable.
while silkworms are just as good as crickets and even are high in water content, they have a limited diet in general, and as such, don't offer much else besides the goodness from the worm itself.

crickets on the otherhand (like dubias) can eat a wide variety of gutload. as such, they offer our chams a wide range of vitamins and minerals besides just the cricket itself.
because of this and the fact that they are far lower in fat then supers makes them a much better standard feeder IMHO.

Harry

 

[jojothefirst]

hi jojo,

I have to agree with Tiff when she says that a large variety in feeders is key to a healthy chameleon.

not that superworms are bad, it's just that they are high in fat as compared to crickets/dubias/silkworms...so they shouldn't be the main feeder if posable.
while silkworms are just as good as crickets and even are high in water content, they have a limited diet in general, and as such, don't offer much else besides the goodness from the worm itself.

crickets on the otherhand (like dubias) can eat a wide variety of gutload. as such, they offer our chams a wide range of vitamins and minerals besides just the cricket itself.
because of this and the fact that they are far lower in fat then supers makes them a much better standard feeder IMHO.

Harry

Thanks for the help guys.

He fully plans on having pretty much all the feeders mentioned but was thinking morios say 50% of the time and a mix of other feeders the other 50%of the time.
Does that sound like it would be ok?

Locust are the other feeders that he has been thinking about but although they are easily available hear in the UK they are alot more exspencive.

 

[warpdrive]

IMHO, NO...far too much fat content.

Harry

 

[Nosybe]

i've never given any of my chams superworms. I have heard of horror stories of superworms that were not killed eating their way out of herps. Thay are also not that great nutritionally so I never saw the need.

 

[instrumentgenius1]

I tend to stay with crickets on the measure. I feel that they are more meaty, and they hold more dust. but a varied diet is always wanted.

 

[sandrachameleon]

while silkworms are just as good as crickets and even are high in water content, they have a limited diet in general, and as such, don't offer much else besides the goodness from the worm itself.

Actually you can feed silkies dandelion leaves, beets and beet leaves, carrot and other things as a gutload if you wish, in addition to Mulberry leaves (or chow). Silkworms are a very good feeder option.
I use dandelion a fair bit, for all my feeders.

 

[Pure]

i've never given any of my chams superworms. I have heard of horror stories of superworms that were not killed eating their way out of herps. Thay are also not that great nutritionally so I never saw the need.

This is a total myth/urban legend. It's never happened and if you do some searching here you will find information supporting this and the fact that it's totally impossible.

 

[jessica]

This is a total myth/urban legend. It's never happened and if you do some searching here you will find information supporting this and the fact that it's totally impossible.

Thank Goodness you said this Pure lol my roommate read that and almost had a heart attack!!

 

[tkilgour]

One time I bought some superworms from a pet store near by. The girl behind the counter said "I will sell these to you, but we have to inform customers who buy them, that if the heads are not crushed by the reptile, it will eat it's way out of the reptile". I laughed and said okay, whatever. Like pure said that is a total urban legend! None of my reptiles have ever died from a superworm eating through the intestines. I do not understand why a pet store would tell people this. Kind of ironic!!

 

[jojackson]

Lol, especially not super worms, these things drown in seconds! (I feed to turtles)

 

[Danicuteeyes]

xD
the chameleon also crushes the worm when they eat it...

think about it...they have to eat THROUGH THE STOMACH! ()
with limited to no air...and stomach acid xD

 

[Murrdox]

I can vouch for my chameleon being on Superworms as a staple of his diet.

I occasionally feed him waxworms or large mealworms, but Superworms are his staple.

This isn't really voluntary, I'd love for him to eat crickets, but he won't. One day I'll find an economical way of getting some silkworms or hornworms to introduce some more variety for him.

Superworms work pretty well, and he's pretty healthy overall. He's been eating them almost exclusively for at least 6 months now.

 

[jojothefirst]

I can vouch for my chameleon being on Superworms as a staple of his diet.

I occasionally feed him waxworms or large mealworms, but Superworms are his staple.

This isn't really voluntary, I'd love for him to eat crickets, but he won't. One day I'll find an economical way of getting some silkworms or hornworms to introduce some more variety for him.

Superworms work pretty well, and he's pretty healthy overall. He's been eating them almost exclusively for at least 6 months now.

does he have any issue's with his health at all?

 

[Bio123]

It is important, however, to not over feed mealworms and superworms because doing so could cause an impaction in the chameleon's intestine. They have a hard exoskeleton.

 

[Nosybe]

This is a total myth/urban legend. It's never happened and if you do some searching here you will find information supporting this and the fact that it's totally impossible.

Thanks for clarifying. I picked up some supers yesterday for the first time and my adult male veiled loves them!