3rd time egg laying
- Thread starter Gabriellehernandezxxx
- Start date
MissSkittles
Chameleon Enthusiast
@ferretinmyshoes what do you think of this x ray?
Chase
Chameleon Enthusiast
Going by an old post I’m quoting below, I’d agree that those are not fully developed. But I am not a vet, so maybe @ferretinmyshoes can confirm.
Chase
Chameleon Enthusiast
These are early stage eggs:
See the distinct oval shapes?
K. multituberculata
This is one of the forum member's (sorry I can't remember who!) chams who had MBD and tons of eggs in very early development:
Veiled cham
This is eggs nearly ready to be laid:
Panther cham
Gabriellehernandezxxx
Avid Member
Hi All, my girl has been home with me since. She hasn’t laid or even in the lay bin yet. SHES still walking around, eating and drinking. She’s just pooped and peed yesterday. Her eyes aren’t sunken and she’s moving about during the day. At night she still has blackness which worries me, but when I emailed the vet they said they believe it is due to stress, and if it changes to bring her in again. I’ve been keeping a close eye but giving her her privacy which I hope is helping
The blackness worries me to...but I don't think it's from (emotional) stress.
When a chameleon gets to the point where she cannot lay her eggs (which may be from lack of the necessary balance of hormones that cause them to be laid... or because the eggs are too big to lay ...or deformed and can't be laid) it seems she often goes back to acting normal for a while.
I think the next "step" is either the eggs rot and cause infection or maybe pressure causes organ (maybe kidney) damage and she crashes. But this is just my opinion...as I've said, I'm not a vet and only speak from experience and what I've read, learned from others.
Once...and one time only, a veiled chameleon I know of resorbed her eggs and all was well.....that's one in 30 years of experience.
When a chameleon gets to the point where she cannot lay her eggs (which may be from lack of the necessary balance of hormones that cause them to be laid... or because the eggs are too big to lay ...or deformed and can't be laid) it seems she often goes back to acting normal for a while.
I think the next "step" is either the eggs rot and cause infection or maybe pressure causes organ (maybe kidney) damage and she crashes. But this is just my opinion...as I've said, I'm not a vet and only speak from experience and what I've read, learned from others.
Once...and one time only, a veiled chameleon I know of resorbed her eggs and all was well.....that's one in 30 years of experience.
Gabriellehernandezxxx
Avid Member
Do you all think I should take her back to the vet? Im just very unsure of what to do next
I would take her to a good chameleon vet before she becomes too weak to be helped. Eggs or remnants of eggs IMHO can't be left there because they still have to be gotten rid of one way or another.....but as I keep saying I'm not a vet and only speak from experience, papers I've read, studies I've been involved in etc.
I'm sorry I don't have time to read through this whole thread but based on that x-rays those are not eggs that will be laid any time soon. They are very small and in a tight cluster so either just starting to form, or a clutch that is being resorbed (less common). They could still be causing problems like inflammation but much less common when they are that size, although I am concerned about the density of some of those follicles but could just be overlapping with food/feces in the intestines. It's hard to tell for sure based on just a single x-ray view. But do not expect to see digging or laying behavior right now. If the follicles are the source of the problem then she'll need to be spayed. Bone density looks good and everything else on the x-ray looks normal.
MissSkittles
Chameleon Enthusiast
Thank you so very much for responding!
I think many of us have been very worried for this sweet lady.
Thank you for helping narrow things down! The passed slugs are concerning because none of those follicles would be that big if passed based on that x-ray view. So that would be more consistent with a clutch that was in the process of development but is regressing now. She may have passed the largest slugs and the rest continued to regress. It's not very common in chameleons in general to see a resorbing clutch, although I've definitely seen a few where I've watched the follicles get smaller and smaller on subsequent x-rays rather then get larger and need to be laid. So it can happen but it's not as well documented as bearded dragons who do it a lot more commonly. Or the slugs may have been remnants from the last clutch that was laid and these only just recently passed and now a new clutch is just starting and is what's visible on x-rays. Given the title of the thread that may be more likely. Hopefully some of the problems and color change seen was due to inflammation from the slugs and then once those passed that has subsided. If she's not improving then personally I would move to surgery to spay her.
Chase
Chameleon Enthusiast
Gabriellehernandezxxx
Avid Member
Hi all. Thank you everyone for giving advice and input, there’s still so much I learn every time I come on here. She’s still eating and urinating and pooping, she’s moving about the cage as well. I think she is dehydrated a bit maybe based on the color of the urate, but I already have 3 misting times during the day (4 mins each) so I’m unsure why she would be? Other than that she hasn’t been in the lay bin which now makes me feel a little better after reading above. She does still have some blackness on her. I will include a picture, I can really only see it at night. Sorry it’s not the best. It’s on her face, side and tail
Attachments
Gabriellehernandezxxx
Avid Member
Hi all. Thank you everyone for giving advice and input, there’s still so much I learn every time I come on here. She’s still eating and urinating and pooping, she’s moving about the cage as well. I think she is dehydrated a bit maybe based on the color of the urate, but I already have 3 misting times during the day (4 mins each) so I’m unsure why she would be? Other than that she hasn’t been in the lay bin which now makes me feel a little better after reading above. She does still have some blackness on her. Here’s her eye too.. does something look off?
Attachments
Her eye should not look like that. This can sometimes be linked to supplements and can me linked to an infection. I do not know a lot about this know. @snitz427 what do you think? I know yours had to do flushing due to an eye issue but I do not recall the details or if it looked like this.
