Baby Ampiskiana Panthers!!

[Ice]

Very beautiful babies..

 

[TreelionsUK]

Thanks for all the comments guys

Just checked the incubator!!!!

 

[TreelionsUK]

Heika, good to see you active again! I have to admit I've been a bit confused about this locale for a little bit, myself. I read somewhere that the village was somewhere near Sambava in the east. Neither Google Earth nor my travel guides, natural history, Field Guides, etc show Ampiskiana on their maps but I've always wondered how they could have blue bars coming from that side of the island. Does anyone have a link or source to a map showing it?

Kent67 i have found it on google maps/earth
atlast

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?t=h&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=-12.941517,49.842276&spn=0.071438,0.153809&z=13

 

[Nicodemayo]

I find it ironic that theres some american skeptics on here about the ampiskiana locale when, from what Ive seen and read, it is very much an accepted locale on european forums and the European panther community. But anyway, treelions, those babys look awesome. What kind of gaps have you gotten in your clutches hatching positioning the eggs like that? The last 4 or 5 clutches that have been laid here for me I have put the eggs very close like that, with many of them touching. Whats been your hatch/survival rate of those neonates?

 

[Kent67]

Unfortunately that link brought up "Ampisikanana," not "Ampiskiana." Nic, the problem with this locale is that no one has a clear understanding of where it is, including the Europeans who sell them. I've even heard from one breeder here that one of the biggest breeders in Germany selling them knows where this village is. But, she ALSO told another European breeder she doesn't know exactly, just that it's somewhere between Sambava and Ambilobe. I don't doubt there's another locale with a distinctive look, I just want to know WHERE it is. The fact that Eugene Goulam, who has been giving guided Madagascar tours to panther chameleon enthusiasts for close to 20 years hasn't ever heard of Ampiskiana....I think it's supposed to be "Ampisikanana," if anything.

Edit: Don't forget that some European breeders say the locale is on the east coast and others say it's on the west coast.

 

[TreelionsUK]

Unfortunately that link brought up "Ampisikanana," not "Ampiskiana." Nic, the problem with this locale is that no one has a clear understanding of where it is, including the Europeans who sell them. I've even heard from one breeder here that one of the biggest breeders in Germany selling them knows where this village is. But, she ALSO told another European breeder she doesn't know exactly, just that it's somewhere between Sambava and Ambilobe. I don't doubt there's another locale with a distinctive look, I just want to know WHERE it is. The fact that Eugene Goulam, who has been giving guided Madagascar tours to panther chameleon enthusiasts for close to 20 years hasn't ever heard of Ampiskiana....I think it's supposed to be "Ampisikanana," if anything.

Edit: Don't forget that some European breeders say the locale is on the east coast and others say it's on the west coast.

Leave it out kent!! jesus! as said before there are many different way of spelling the locales ampiskiana is the one that has stuck,some people spell ankaramy like this,and others like this ankarami,some spell nosy be like this,and others like this nossi be,
Dont give me that my dad's bigger then your dad shit!!!(meaning your mate eugene)
Get off your horse and swallow that pill!!!(its out there bub!)
I think your right it more than likely is Ampisikanana,as said many times,germans,dutch and the rest of the europe call this locale ampiskiana

 

[TreelionsUK]

I find it ironic that theres some american skeptics on here about the ampiskiana locale when, from what Ive seen and read, it is very much an accepted locale on european forums and the European panther community. But anyway, treelions, those babys look awesome. What kind of gaps have you gotten in your clutches hatching positioning the eggs like that? The last 4 or 5 clutches that have been laid here for me I have put the eggs very close like that, with many of them touching. Whats been your hatch/survival rate of those neonates?

Thanks very much fella i have found that the eggs hatched over a 8 week period! when all touching and i have had 100% hatch and survival rate,i like incubation this way and will never go back to spacing them out,
I reckon you will have great success like this keep me posted blud!!

Peace
Luke

 

[Kent67]

I think you've really mistaken my point. I don't disbelieve there's a locale that looks like all of your animals. The problem is that no one actually knows where it is. Why get so defensive about trying to figure out where the place is? You linked to the exact same thing I linked to days ago. If someone wanted to go to this locale and take pictures of them in the wild, where would they go? It's really not a big deal.

 

[TreelionsUK]

I think you've really mistaken my point. I don't disbelieve there's a locale that looks like all of your animals. The problem is that no one actually knows where it is. Why get so defensive about trying to figure out where the place is? You linked to the exact same thing I linked to days ago. If someone wanted to go to this locale and take pictures of them in the wild, where would they go? It's really not a big deal.

Im with you mate,its no big deal but i am taking your remarks personaly,as your airing you dirty laundry all over my thread,it was ment to be a happy thread showing off my bubs,until a couple of jerks started chucking mud
Grow up,if you dont like it dont post


Long live the queen!!!

 

[Kent67]

I apologize. I realize I should have been more clear in responding to Nic's post as I am not one who doesn't believe in "the locale." I believe you have a unique pardalis form, where ever it may be from. My intention is not to muddy the colorform, but rather just to learn where they come from. Local Malagasy don't know it and the breeders who keep them offer completely contradictory information on where the village is. And sorry, I would take Goulam's word about Malagasy villages over ANY breeder's, any day. He most certainly does know more. But, it's a simple geography thing in my mind, not trying to disparage your animals in any way. To me it was kind of like how Nosy Mitsios were known as Mafana for a while. It was clear that they were a different, specific form but there's no Mafana on any maps. If Ampiskiana is the same place as Ampisikanana, then fine. I only wanted clarification. Again, I apologize if you took anything as being against your animals or the color form. It wasn't meant that way.

 

[TreelionsUK]

I apologize. I realize I should have been more clear in responding to Nic's post as I am not one who doesn't believe in "the locale." I believe you have a unique pardalis form, where ever it may be from. My intention is not to muddy the colorform, but rather just to learn where they come from. Local Malagasy don't know it and the breeders who keep them offer completely contradictory information on where the village is. And sorry, I would take Goulam's word about Malagasy villages over ANY breeder's, any day. He most certainly does know more. But, it's a simple geography thing in my mind, not trying to disparage your animals in any way. To me it was kind of like how Nosy Mitsios were known as Mafana for a while. It was clear that they were a different, specific form but there's no Mafana on any maps. If Ampiskiana is the same place as Ampisikanana, then fine. I only wanted clarification. Again, I apologize if you took anything as being against your animals or the color form. It wasn't meant that way.

Thankyou kent Peace
Another reason why i was very annoyed is because this is my work and any potental buyers of my animals would run a mile after reading the negative comments from yourself.
But no hard feelings man,and respect and thanks for turning it in

Apparently the site only allowed collection of animals in 2006,not sure if this helps with the lack of details on the net

Luke

 

[Kent67]

Another reason why i was very annoyed is because this is my work and any potental buyers of my animals would run a mile after reading the negative comments from yourself.

NO! Haha, it wasn't supposed to be negative at all. Interesting that it's only been collected once before, supposedly. I'll have to check when I get home and see if that "Ampisikanana" area might be a reserve or something. It didn't seem like there was a village nearby to where Google was showing, either. Maybe it's a landform of some sort?

 

[TreelionsUK]

NO! Haha, it wasn't supposed to be negative at all. Interesting that it's only been collected once before, supposedly. I'll have to check when I get home and see if that "Ampisikanana" area might be a reserve or something. It didn't seem like there was a village nearby to where Google was showing, either. Maybe it's a landform of some sort?

I also found this.....i know its a bit ropey and you will laugh but.....

http://www.francepardalis.com/

 

[CleanLineChameleons]

Very good looking babies luke!

After my last classified ad I spoke with a couple people that I know who have been to Madagascar multiple times. They told me that Ampiskiana is a little north to northwest of Sambava, between Sambava and Anstiranana. I don't know because I have never been there. I was told that pardalis in this area are kind of a natural cross. That is why on many sites, such as Will's pardalis.be many of the Ampiskiana appear very Diego-esque and others appear Sambava-esque and others look like exactly what you would expect to see between the two areas.

Also another note, many times chameleons from the east coast can have blues (an aqua blue) in their resting colors then when they fire it go red. I have many pictures of Sambava's and a couple Maroantsetra's that have shown this. Also, younger chameleons display these blues more than older ones.

Again great looking babies and hopefully we will start seeing a little bit more of some of the rarer locales here in the states.

-chris

 

[TreelionsUK]

Thanks chris,i see you have some alsoYour male is stunning mate and clearly new locality!!
The Babys are little pigs and are doing really well!!
I expected this type of reaction and having to justify there locality,
But how many panther locales are there now!! the amount is shocking!
but they are all different in there own way
Just takes a few years for the informaton to come through.

All the pictures on the net of ampiskianas are so new,and many of the animals are so young in there pictures that you dont see them at the full peak of colour,the faint blues on the animals fade away completely when full grown
I see them like a "turbo" sambava showing neon greens and reds

If the little guy in the picture turns out simalar the coloured male in the second pic im a happy bunny,and looking at him in the picture i think he has a very good chance,
I think that male is "loosely" what an ampiskiana should look like

 

[westcoastchameleons]

Luke,
How old is that hold-back male in the picture? Just curious

Thanks,
Jake

 

[TreelionsUK]

Luke,
How old is that hold-back male in the picture? Just curious

Thanks,
Jake

Hey man

he is around 7 weeks in that pic,there are a few like him in the group but not all have the "v" bar going on

Looks pretty cool now will take some new pics of them tomorrow

 

[TreelionsUK]

Luke,
How old is that hold-back male in the picture? Just curious

Thanks,
Jake

This is him now at 9 weeks coming on really well

 

[TreelionsUK]

Progress

 

[Eyal]

Thanks for the lovley photos! They are cute as ****!