baby pardalis (nosy mitsio) with 'horn'
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ciafardo 4
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can you post any pics of the animal when it was an a adult? please try to i would really like to see what it looked like as it was so rare
maykelbroekman
New Member
hi,
the strange nose,never developed real horns,it seems a genetic defect wich is not dominant in the first generation.
i thought that i have posted already pics from them before in other topics wich a started,maaybe you can seek on my name....
i have more pics in my other pc wich i broken, but i will try to make some newones this week.
regards maykel
the strange nose,never developed real horns,it seems a genetic defect wich is not dominant in the first generation.
i thought that i have posted already pics from them before in other topics wich a started,maaybe you can seek on my name....
i have more pics in my other pc wich i broken, but i will try to make some newones this week.
regards maykel
Kent67
Retired Moderator
I remember that thread very well! Very, very odd development there Here you go guys: https://www.chameleonforums.com/nosy-mitsio-pardalis-strange-9303/
Here you go guys: https://www.chameleonforums.com/nosy-mitsio-pardalis-strange-9303/
dodolah
Retired Moderator
hi, Maykel..
I'm kinda glad that the thread is revived.
Is the protrusion still have clear liquid coming from them?
OntarioLizardman
New Member
hm... i wonder.. could it be a egg tooth?
people need to realize that not all diffrences between animals are genetic defects( that word has a negative connotation) ... it can just be a mutation ( and no... not all mutations are bad.. they are part of evolution...blue eyes in humans for example are a mutation
)... and the little chameleon is cute.... maybe if it will have kids one day... it will produce a new generation of "horned" pardalis chameleons.. now that would be kind of cool...
maykelbroekman
New Member
hi,
ther is still coming the same kind of clear liquid out of the extra nosehole, specially when i mist the vivarium
regards maykel
ther is still coming the same kind of clear liquid out of the extra nosehole, specially when i mist the vivarium
regards maykel
Chris Anderson
Dr. House of Chameleons
people need to realize that not all diffrences between animals are genetic defects( that word has a negative connotation) ... it can just be a mutation ( and no... not all mutations are bad.. they are part of evolution...blue eyes in humans for example are a mutation
Kasia - Any alteration of the genetic sequence is technically a genetic defect. The term defect has a negative connotation but that is because it is improperly associated solely with genetic issues that are deleterious to the animal's fitness. Not all defects are deleterious but if this trait is caused by genetics, it is technically by definition a genetic defect none the less.
Chris
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blackbetty
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You say in the other thread that she was getting ready to breed (I think that was a year ago). Have any hatched and carry the "horn/nub" ? Sorry if this was said elsewhere.
Chris-
Noun 1. genetic defect - a disease or disorder that is inherited genetically
A genetic disorder is an illness caused by abnormalities in genes or chromosomes.
from what i read all genetic defects are a negative thing..
might be wrong thou...
defects and mutations aren't the same thing ... a genetic mutation is any change in the DNA sequence good or bad ... even though the word mutation also has a negative connotation
eh i might be wrong... but i would still call it a mutation not a defect
Chris Anderson
Dr. House of Chameleons
Kasia,
I'm aware of how it is defined in a dictionary but that isn't always the final word on the meaning of a scientific term. First let me say, you are absolutely right that this is a genetic mutation. That does not mean that it isn't also a genetic defect. Also, the term genetic defect typically has a negative connotation, as you said, but not all genetic defects cause death or are deleterious to the extent that most people think they are based on the connotation. I've heard the term genetic defect used to describe mutations that were not outrightly deleterious in various biology courses but do not deny that it is typically used for more detrimental genetic mutations. At any rate, liquid coming out of this "horn" during drinking, etc., is probably not a beneficial trait which would technically make this a defect using either definition.
Chris
I'm aware of how it is defined in a dictionary but that isn't always the final word on the meaning of a scientific term. First let me say, you are absolutely right that this is a genetic mutation. That does not mean that it isn't also a genetic defect. Also, the term genetic defect typically has a negative connotation, as you said, but not all genetic defects cause death or are deleterious to the extent that most people think they are based on the connotation. I've heard the term genetic defect used to describe mutations that were not outrightly deleterious in various biology courses but do not deny that it is typically used for more detrimental genetic mutations. At any rate, liquid coming out of this "horn" during drinking, etc., is probably not a beneficial trait which would technically make this a defect using either definition.
Chris
Lizardlover
New Member
Im glad this thread was revived, i was reading it a few days ago and i asked the owner to send me some pics, glad i got to see some
your right ...unless it isn't genetic
but in that case were both wrong
but true if it has negative traits it is a defect.... too bad because it looks rather interesting..( not suggesting that the looks of it outweigh the discomfort to the little chameleon ) hope he grows out of the " side effects" of his little horn
