Baytril question

wow! i didn't know chams could have yogurt! I learn something new (or 10 from this forum) every day. :)

This might sound like a stupid question, but I have something that's called "Fortiflora" that was given to me by my vet for my dog as he sometimes has gastrointestinal issues (hes a lab so he likes to eat everything!). Its a powdered pro-biotic and I was thinking that would be fantastic if i could dust the crickets with that? Wondering if you've ever heard of it?
 
Just a little bit of yogurt over the course of treatment and for a few weeks after.

Sorry I've never heard of it.

Carl
 
so do you just dip the cricket in the yogurt? LOL :p

Should it be plain, or can it be flavored? I don't have any plain yogurt in the fridge ATM but I can run out and get some tomorrow morning. How often should i do this? and how much give or take would you give to her at a time?
 
Just dip the head of the cricket or two once daily. I just use what ever is in the fridge, flavored or plain.

Carl
 
I feel like it is. Shes moving around more the past 2 days and I'm not noticing the coughing or the wheezing as much! :)

Shes got until sunday morning for her last dose, so only time will tell. Fingers crossed!!
 
kinyonga said:
Junglefries....I would like to see any articles you have about chameleon's being able to absorb water through heir skins. I thought their skin repelled water.
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i also am not aware that chams can absorb any water through their skin, at least not to any significant degree. however, if they are in a tub they can absorb a tremendous amount of water through their cloaca; perhaps what JF meant?
 
to the OP---

yes she's small and fragile, but you would really have to work hard to damage her lips or anything serious when medicating her. other tricks besides those mentioned:

-use a credit card to help wedge their mouths open
-tap her nose/some pressure on her temporal lobes to have her gape
-some liquids can be dripped through their closed teeth w/ the lips opened a bit; since you cannot see the trachea w/ this method let gravity help---have her body held vertically so she's looking up, tilt her head to one side a bit, and trickle the meds through her teeth towards the rear where our molars would be (so it's already behind the windpipe), and they will typically swallow. may want to practice first with some water to get the idea.
 
Dr. O, thank you for posting! I was hoping one of the vets on here would chime in on the situation!

This is my first experience with administering medication to a chameleon, and I feel like we've been pretty successful so far. I've managed to get each of her doses in without too much of a struggle. It seems almost like she is getting used to it, as everytime I do it, she struggles less. I can get her meds into her mouth in about 20 seconds now. I'm glad it takes a lot to damage their lips, i was very concerned about that. Typically, how long should it take before you see improvement if the dosage is 0.5ml twice a day? She seems to be doing a bit better but it's hard to tell because she just gave birth this morning so she was showing signs of that along with being ill.


Also, this hydration tub technique. Could you explain to me what this is, and how to do it? She is definitely not getting enough water and I want to make sure shes hydrated, especially after now giving birth. Thanks! :)
 
christineacero said:
Dr. O, thank you for posting! I was hoping one of the vets on here would chime in on the situation!

This is my first experience with administering medication to a chameleon, and I feel like we've been pretty successful so far. I've managed to get each of her doses in without too much of a struggle. It seems almost like she is getting used to it, as everytime I do it, she struggles less. I can get her meds into her mouth in about 20 seconds now. I'm glad it takes a lot to damage their lips, i was very concerned about that. Typically, how long should it take before you see improvement if the dosage is 0.5ml twice a day? She seems to be doing a bit better but it's hard to tell because she just gave birth this morning so she was showing signs of that along with being ill.


Also, this hydration tub technique. Could you explain to me what this is, and how to do it? She is definitely not getting enough water and I want to make sure shes hydrated, especially after now giving birth. Thanks! :)
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the volume only of the meds doesn't help; need to know the concentration as well. but from your description of an early URI just a few days should have her in the right direction; side effects like anorexia or diarrhea non-withstanding.

i would just fill a little Rubbermaid bowl or something w/ coolish/lukewarm water, filled high enough so that her heiney will be submerged. if you use a shallower bowl w/ a lid (clear obviously is best so you can observe) it will keep her from standing on her back legs and trying to climb out. otherwise you will need to fill the water higher which may be too high on all 4 feet. 20-30 minutes is plenty of time. if she poops in the water change it out so she's not sitting in a cesspool.
 
Dr. O.....does the water actually absorb into the chameleon's system or is it just "sucked" into the area where the feces and urates are held before being evacuated?
 
kinyonga said:
Dr. O.....does the water actually absorb into the chameleon's system or is it just "sucked" into the area where the feces and urates are held before being evacuated?
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good question!!

across virtually all animals with an intestinal tract, the stomach is designed to liquify, sterilize, and pulverize food with acid, the small intestines are used to absorb nutrients, calories and fats, and the large intestine/colon is designed to resorb as much water from the residual matter as it can, while packing it into a passable shape.

in those critters, the colonic wall is so excellent at it's job that many drugs given rectally work almost as quickly as giving them intravenously (which is pretty astounding). thus, medical suppositories, alcohol/coffee enemas, and many other drugs can be delivered via this route.

as the chameleon has the extra chamber of the cloaca, the more water that gets into the large intestine, the more will be absorbed. however the cloacal walls themselves are still very "porous" as are all mucous membranes throughout the body, and there will be absorption there as well.

in a nutshell for your question; it does both. but particularly in a dehydrated animal, osmotic gradients alone will greatly shift the ratio towards true absorption into the intravascular space, and then the body will move it to where it's needed the most.

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