Beautiful when gravid

[Mikechorba1]

I take in rescues....
these chameleons male and female came to me week apart and I also believe in signs I took it as a sign this was the time and this was the species. some of us old people remember a time not so long ago that vieled chameleons weren't all that common. I tend to live in the past. Plus I got enough fancy stuff in the saltwater tank

 

[Sonny13]

Those days are over Veiled´s are now the most common and even cheapest available species
Prices need to go up again, so a Veiled doesn´t get bought just for x-mas.

 

[kinyonga]

You might be interested in this...
https://ro.uow.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2006&context=smhpapers1

 

[Sonny13]

You might be interested in this...
https://ro.uow.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2006&context=smhpapers1

shortly off-topic. You got an archive of these links or you know which search criteria’s to use to get the proper study publication? Just curious
Because when I see a post from you, starting with “you might be interested in this……” I’m like

 

[kinyonga]

I wish I had all these articles archived! I've tried sometimes...but it doesn't really help in some ways. Often more than one thing if interest is in one study and I'm no good at cross referencing them...it's too much mental work!

I just seem to have a knack for using the right words to find these things. Sometimes it's just by accident ...because I'm looking for something else.

 

[Mikechorba1]

Good ole fashion SCIENCE!! I love it. Wish I had come across that before I got started

 

[Mikechorba1]

In that article is extremely interesting that perhaps the reason cold incubated lizards hatch at a better phenotype then warm incubated lizards is so they can compete with the already hatched much larger warm incubated lizards that are already in the environment. So it's almost to say that either way is correct as long as you don't go too far? Or maybe I'm interpreting it the wrong way but I see why you say not to change the temperature now. One thing it doesn't cover and I do Wonder it was stated that in your opinion it's better to incubate him in the dark. but wouldn't there be a natural circadian rhythm of ambient light and dark in nature? or do the eggs count on The chameleons burying them in the ground?
Perhaps I'm overthinking this.

 

[kinyonga]

One more....
"It was noted that the chameleons that hatched in from eggs in the 29°C incubation were much more active, immediately post hatching, than hatchlings from either the 26.5°C or 24.5°C temperatures. In addition, the individuals from the higher temperature had a greater appetite immediately after hatching than those of the other two groups. Hatchlings from the warmest temperature began consuming crickets within hours of hatching, whereas the others started to eat after 12-24 hours. This may indicate that higher incubation temperature results increased metabolism at the time of hatching. However, this was not tested by any objective means"...
http://www.chameleonnews.com/08FebLong.html

 

[Mikechorba1]

That makes me feel much better about the temperature. And the variation makes sense there's no thermostat in the forest

 

[kinyonga]

@Mikechorba1 said..."I do Wonder it was stated that in your opinion it's better to incubate him in the dark. but wouldn't there be a natural circadian rhythm of ambient light and dark in nature? or do the eggs count on The chameleons burying them in the ground?"... They're buried in the ground so there's no light.
There's an article about it somewhere...maybe I can find it again! It's likely posted on here somewhere.

Regarding colder incubated compared to warmer incubated hatchlings...I'm not sure yet.