Bradypodion thamnobates
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PardalisGirl
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Me too! Me too!
Those adult pictures make me drool all over again. Thanks to Jared and Benny I'm lined up to get two pairs
Those adult pictures make me drool all over again. Thanks to Jared and Benny I'm lined up to get two pairs
ocular_factitus
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Always been a fan of Bradypodion Thamnobates I love those soft chin plates
eisentrauti
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They aren't pygmies, they grow up to round 16-18 cm. They can be housed as pairs or groups of 1.x like you can do with some of the real small species.
I purchased pair on last Hamm show (btw, eisentrauti it was you - they gone to "Wild East" in EU) and I am very satisfied with them until now. I keep them outside and they are feeding well. Btw, female is very agressive and is hissing on fingers, you can hear it. I could not imagine that chameleon smaller than 5th finger can hiss loudable. Until now I am satisfied with them they look fine.
They are true masters of hiding, find them in screen terrarium 60x40x60 cm with small shrub and more branches is usually impossible if they are not basking. Even in small feeding terrarium 15x20x25cm it needs effort - unbelievable. I kept a lot of species during my life but no one other was able virtually vanish. I am often asking myself why should one care about empty terrarium?
They are true masters of hiding, find them in screen terrarium 60x40x60 cm with small shrub and more branches is usually impossible if they are not basking. Even in small feeding terrarium 15x20x25cm it needs effort - unbelievable. I kept a lot of species during my life but no one other was able virtually vanish. I am often asking myself why should one care about empty terrarium
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eisentrauti
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Where exactly are you living ?
Yes they are very shy, but it's different on any animal. But believe me one thing: thamnobates are much better than damaranum, it's nearly impossible to find them in well planted enclosures
Yes they are very shy, but it's different on any animal. But believe me one thing: thamnobates are much better than damaranum, it's nearly impossible to find them in well planted enclosures
eisentrauti
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Yes you are right
Damaranum
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I keep them now for many years and really don't have problems finding them.
They indeed can hide but when they're not to stressed you'll see them a lot.
Damaranum can be more shy but I also see most of them within a few seconds. Indeed some animals are shy but that can happen with every species.
They indeed can hide but when they're not to stressed you'll see them a lot.
Damaranum can be more shy but I also see most of them within a few seconds. Indeed some animals are shy but that can happen with every species.
viaje
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oh! chamelisa said pygmy so I guess I followed suit
I hope you keep posting pics of these gorgeous little chams!
eisentrauti
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Thanks Karen, like yours
Thamnobates food.
Ok, my thamnobates couple is tamed a bit now.
They are eating from pincette now.
I have them outside and I am feeding to them exclusively sweeped insects (from outside). I found that they have very very strange food spectrum.
I am entomologist so I know about what I am speaking but not dipterologist so I can not determine exactly few species.
Preferred food:
1. Spiders - they prefer spiders to anything else.
2. Diptera (flies). Preferred Chloromyia formosa. They eat one other small species from Muscidae well that I need determine and some Musca, etc. Except few Drosophilidae and some so small diptera that I do not know what it is.
Vast majority of Diptera they do not eat and they determine species perfectly! They do not eat Lucilia although it is similar to Chrolomyia!
3. Auchenorhyncha - all species that I found are eaten well
4. Once I saw some green caterpillar was eaten but I did not noticed it in advance so I do not know what it was.
What they do not eat:
1. Hymenoptera
2. Caelifera and Ensifera (locusts and katydids) even in size that should be fully acceptable! Very surprising, most chameleons love them!
3. Coleoptera - beetles - there is broad spectrum offered and no catch. Surprise, surprise...
4. Hemiptera (true bugs)
5. Aphids - Absolutely, I tried several different species
What I do not know
1. crickets - I did not found anything that fits size
2. Moths I did not offered anything acceptable
Btw, I am attracting drosophila and Muscidae in their cages so they are hunting whole day around. They eat something hat small that I can not see what is it (Simulidae?) I need look on it more in detail
I will keep your informed about FFF further food findings.
Ok, my thamnobates couple is tamed a bit now.
They are eating from pincette now.
I have them outside and I am feeding to them exclusively sweeped insects (from outside). I found that they have very very strange food spectrum.
I am entomologist so I know about what I am speaking but not dipterologist so I can not determine exactly few species.
Preferred food:
1. Spiders - they prefer spiders to anything else.
2. Diptera (flies). Preferred Chloromyia formosa. They eat one other small species from Muscidae well that I need determine and some Musca, etc. Except few Drosophilidae and some so small diptera that I do not know what it is.
Vast majority of Diptera they do not eat and they determine species perfectly! They do not eat Lucilia although it is similar to Chrolomyia!
3. Auchenorhyncha - all species that I found are eaten well
4. Once I saw some green caterpillar was eaten but I did not noticed it in advance so I do not know what it was.
What they do not eat:
1. Hymenoptera
2. Caelifera and Ensifera (locusts and katydids) even in size that should be fully acceptable! Very surprising, most chameleons love them!
3. Coleoptera - beetles - there is broad spectrum offered and no catch. Surprise, surprise...
4. Hemiptera (true bugs)
5. Aphids - Absolutely, I tried several different species
What I do not know
1. crickets - I did not found anything that fits size
2. Moths I did not offered anything acceptable
Btw, I am attracting drosophila and Muscidae in their cages so they are hunting whole day around. They eat something hat small that I can not see what is it (Simulidae?) I need look on it more in detail
I will keep your informed about FFF further food findings.
eisentrauti
Avid Member
Wow, amazing work ! Unfortunately there aren't many people here who like scientific names
The list should be read be the buyers from Jared
The list should be read be the buyers from Jared
Today is easily google in pictures to discover "who is who".
If I wrote soldier's fly most peoples need google it as well moreover it is name for group (family).
Same way like many chameleon keepers need google Bradypodion thamnobates to see how it looks they can google food insects.
One important note. I can give animals to feeding cage (that is insect tight) but if there are many insects specimens those are not in their food spectrum, they crawl on their bodies, etc. they are stressed, show fear, try escape and do not eat. Ants, wasp etc can be dangerous at all, they are small reptiles. Preferable is separate just what they eat.
Feeding from pincette can be controlled easily, they eat about 3-4 insects (female) and 5-6 (larger male) twice a day from pincette (except what they catch themselves). I will say that it is same like for panter male eating same number subadult crickets. Quite a lot but they are beautifully growing. They started to accept pincette like food source just about a week ago so I will see if that enormous appetite will continue.
Btw, they tolerate each other without any sign of the stress. Just if they are walking from opposite direction on same branch they can eventually "shake hands" with high frequency and male get bright colors. But it was in the begin, now I did not saw it some time, often they are sunning each to other in 5-10cm distance although they have lot of space if they want to be separated.
If I wrote soldier's fly most peoples need google it as well moreover it is name for group (family).
Same way like many chameleon keepers need google Bradypodion thamnobates to see how it looks they can google food insects.
One important note. I can give animals to feeding cage (that is insect tight) but if there are many insects specimens those are not in their food spectrum, they crawl on their bodies, etc. they are stressed, show fear, try escape and do not eat. Ants, wasp etc can be dangerous at all, they are small reptiles. Preferable is separate just what they eat.
Feeding from pincette can be controlled easily, they eat about 3-4 insects (female) and 5-6 (larger male) twice a day from pincette (except what they catch themselves). I will say that it is same like for panter male eating same number subadult crickets. Quite a lot but they are beautifully growing. They started to accept pincette like food source just about a week ago so I will see if that enormous appetite will continue.
Btw, they tolerate each other without any sign of the stress. Just if they are walking from opposite direction on same branch they can eventually "shake hands" with high frequency and male get bright colors. But it was in the begin, now I did not saw it some time, often they are sunning each to other in 5-10cm distance although they have lot of space if they want to be separated.
eisentrauti
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ciafardo 4
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Yeah, but the majority is too lazy to use even google
hey speak for yourself there german boy!!!! hahahaha
eisentrauti
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no, just look at the threads here and the questions and you see it
Cainschams
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Wow, amazing work ! Unfortunately there aren't many people here who like scientific names
The list should be read be the buyers from Jared
I agree, this is great information, especially to us who will be very new to working with this species.
Thank you and please post anymore valuable information you find out.
