Can't wait!

Like Brad .. I don't have a big issue with glass.

I have used Euro style caging as well as mesh cages.

Glass can stress a cham, but in my experience , I've only had this occur once.

Also without a front screen, you have a challenge to produce a temp gradient and you will find drying out the cage between mistings can be an issue. Constantly damp or wet cages can harbour excessive bacteria.
 
I think some of you would be really surprised to see how many European keepers and top breeders for that matter use glass enclosures over there. While its not recommended by most here, it can be done successfully without issues.
 
Brad Ramsey said:
I am among those who think this enclosure will work.I agree with Ryan ( and others who gave some good advice ... Sandra;)... although I would be too nervous to drill holes in glass!)
The fan is a good idea, and I would try several arrangements to determine the best way to get air moving through the environment.
My initial thought is to have the fan blow over the top (not down into) the enclosure to draw air up and out ... or perhaps direct the airflow up so that the fan pulls air out of it.-Brad
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I converted two very large fish aquariums into nice toad homes by drilling a number of holes on both ends/sides from about midway (several inches) from up from the bottom upwards to within a couple inchs/ 5 cm of the top of the tank and used a screen top. Since my father and I had made the fish tanks in the first place, and had no other use for them, I didnt care if I broke one so I took the chance. Luckily, we didnt break either one. But we (father) had the right tools.
Using a small fan, perhaps like a computer power supply fan, is a good idea. Like Brad, I'd say pulling air out is likely better than blowing a wind tunnel inwards.
Chroma's suggestion to replace one door with screen is a perfect idea.
Maybe remove one door, try drilling holes in it. If you mess up, replace with screen :)

if reflection is an issue, you could cover the inside glass with some of that vinyl stuff people use on bathroom windows for privacy. no glue or anything, it just a flim thing that clings and makes the glass opaque - it even comes in jungle colours.
 
I really don't understand how your going to get a gradient of heat in that enclosure. If you make some holes along the bottom and suck air out maybe..... but it can't be a high flow fan. How will you work out the drainage?

As only one or two people have mentioned, remove the substrate.

If you can afford or have the option to buy a screen cage, I would consider that before the glass/plastic style cages. Screan can always be covered in cooler/dryer times of the year when needed.

And I don't have a single cham who can look at its own reflection without flipping it's $***
 
your best bet is to listen to the others on here they know what they're talking about. That cage is insufficient for a cham you should buy a all screen cage and it needs to be taller considering they are arboreal animals. Do what you'd like but the outcome may not be so good.
 
A bit off topic but related to the issue. I was just wondering if someone could explain the difference in using glass enclosures in Europe as apposed to using them in North America. I don't quite understand how/why it is "acceptable" in one place and not the other.


My 2 cents: That looks like a nice enclosure, for a younger cham. I used a glass enclosure for the first 2 months I had my first cham but after I noticed a significant size increase I went out and got a screen one right away.
 
Its more a matter of preference than what is correct.

In europe , it is common to use a Euro style cage. It is glass bottom, back and sides. The top and front are screen. So, they are not entirely glass like a fish tank.

I use both Euro and mesh and feel each presents advantages and disadvantages over the other.
 
ChromaChameleons said:
Its more a matter of preference than what is correct.

In europe , it is common to use a Euro style cage. It is glass bottom, back and sides. The top and front are screen. So, they are not entirely glass like a fish tank.

I use both Euro and mesh and feel each presents advantages and disadvantages over the other.
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Thanks, I was under the impression that what was being said was "fish tanks are ok to be used in Europe but not North America, just because." Didn't realise they were talking about this specific design of enclosure. (the "euro style" you mentioned)
 
Just thought i would let you know, i have since declined the purchase of the viv, and brought a double stack which is 4x2x2, 4ft high, so i can keep a male cham in one, and gonna keep either an arboreal snake, or a female cham in the other, i may put a seperator in the spare on to make two 2x2x2's to keep bearded pygmys?

John
 
Jonie said:
Just thought i would let you know, i have since declined the purchase of the viv, and brought a double stack which is 4x2x2, 4ft high, so i can keep a male cham in one, and gonna keep either an arboreal snake, or a female cham in the other, i may put a seperator in the spare on to make two 2x2x2's to keep bearded pygmys?

John
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Oh shoot! I was thinking you should set it up for pygmy chameleons. :) Those enclosures are like a blank canvas to an artist!

Look through some photos on this thread. They may inspire you:

http://chameleonsvl.6.forumer.com/viewforum.php?f=2&sid=231ef45726f02487cfd5b3b85c26a8b8
 
chamelisa said:
Oh shoot! I was thinking you should set it up for pygmy chameleons. :) Those enclosures are like a blank canvas to an artist!

Look through some photos on this thread. They may inspire you:

http://chameleonsvl.6.forumer.com/viewforum.php?f=2&sid=231ef45726f02487cfd5b3b85c26a8b8
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i may make the second viv into two 2x2x2's, for some bearded pygmy's and the other tank for maybe a young female veiled.
great link mate, just spent an hour searching the forum for pics of there terrariums, which are very impressive
 
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