Carotenoids...

[ataraxia]

Ataraxia...I'm not against giving a dose of prEformed vitamin A once in a while if it could be needed! It could very well be that some panthers are more sensirtive.

As for veileds, because they are more omnivorous perhaps they can convert beta carotene?

Very interesting thought. Do you still have the article/study that was done on the 4 groups of veileds and uvb/vitD absorption? I believe they noted vitamin A levels as well. Would be interesting to read that again and see what the levels were and what they were using as a source.

Dr. Ivan Alfonso has had vitamin A issues with veileds.
http://www.ivanalfonso.com/?s=Vitamin+A

Hiya Jann, malnutrition in any instance is never good. Poor little girls. Thanks for sharing.

for what its worth, I didnt either for more than a decade. Long-lived, healthy, successfully breeding animals (panthers) nevertheless.

Sandra you are an amazing keeper as well as the other keepers here. Your gut load along with your variety of prey items would keep even the most sensitive in check

 

[kinyonga]

Sorry ataraxia, I don't have that article handy right now. I'm not very organized at saving the articles in a way that I can find them easily when I want them.

Sandra...Glad to be able to post them!

 

[JoeVet]

Is this the article? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4280901/

It doesn't answer the question of vitamin A vs carotenoids but they did just add vitamin A to the feeder insects diet and did not dust the insects.

 

[ataraxia]

Is this the article? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4280901/

It doesn't answer the question of vitamin A vs carotenoids but they did just add vitamin A to the feeder insects diet and did not dust the insects.

That is not the exact one but very similar. Wish they were more detailed about the important details . Thank you for posting that link.

 

[kinyonga]

I've posted some of these before....but they concern vitamin A so I thought it wouldn't hurt to post them again...
http://www.uvma.org/chameleon/vitaminA.htm
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/140/11/1923.full