Cham with broken back?

[bamachams2012]

I have a young senegal cham with a severly pointed spine, almost directly in the middle, I'm assuming because of poor handling when they were harvesting him He does not appear to be in pain, and the condition has not hindered movement and he eats and drinks better than some of my larger breeds. Is there anything I can do for poor Chameron???

 

[brandon1]

If you can afford it I would consider taking him to the vet. That's probably the safest thing to do to get him checked out. Hope he's ok

 

[Solid Snake]

Can you post a picture of the deformity?

 

[tkilgour]

Broken back and it's life is over. I took in a rescue w/ a broken back and 3 broken limbs. We gave it liquid calcium for what seemed to be an eternity and nothing helped. He was always on the bottom of the enclosure in a twisted, deformed way. Finally, I couldn't watch the torture any longer and had to put him in the freezer.

 

[ferretinmyshoes]

Finally, I couldn't watch the torture any longer and had to put him in the freezer.

Putting reptiles in the freezer is actually not humane btw. They've shown that it's incredibly painful since they are not dead before their tissues start to crystalize from ice, which must be excruciating. They are only too cold to do anything about it and have to suffer through it until they finally die some hours later. It is not an approved method of euthanasia by the American Veterinary Medical Association for that reason. A kinder method is actually blunt trauma to the head (crushing it) so it is immediate to make it humane. fyi

 

[tkilgour]

Putting reptiles in the freezer is actually not humane btw. They've shown that it's incredibly painful since they are not dead before their tissues start to crystalize from ice, which must be excruciating. They are only too cold to do anything about it and have to suffer through it until they finally die some hours later. It is not an approved method of euthanasia by the American Veterinary Medical Association for that reason. A kinder method is actually blunt trauma to the head (crushing it) so it is immediate to make it humane. fyi

Thanks for the info. but I am not going to use blunt force on my animals. I use Jim at the cham co. methods.

 

[ferretinmyshoes]

Freezer method is not humane no matter who uses it. That's the only point I'm trying to make. I could never use blunt trauma on my animals so I take them in for injectable humane euthanasia. But without that option I would use something known to be quick and humane versus something known to be very painful and inhumane, for the animal's sake.

 

[tkilgour]

Well, I'm not about to crush my tortured animals skull.

 

[ferretinmyshoes]

Well, I'm not about to crush my tortured animals skull.

Instead torture it some more by making it hurt everywhere while it is immobilized before it dies slowly? I'm sure that's not what you want. You are already trying to do a good thing by ending its pain, which I respect you for. But a lot of people don't know the freezer is not a good way to do it. That's why I mention it. It's not for your sake I offer this, it for the animal's sake. Here are the guidelines if you want to read up on other methods that you might have available that would be more appropriate.

 

[bamachams2012]

yes, ill post a picture of chameron soon im developing some pictures with him in it. Is it possible that is MD?

 

[Elizadolots]

Does it look like what's going on in this thread: https://www.chameleonforums.com/male-baby-back-problem-64200/ ?

 

[tkilgour]

Instead torture it some more by making it hurt everywhere while it is immobilized before it dies slowly? I'm sure that's not what you want. You are already trying to do a good thing by ending its pain, which I respect you for. But a lot of people don't know the freezer is not a good way to do it. That's why I mention it. It's not for your sake I offer this, it for the animal's sake. Here are the guidelines if you want to read up on other methods that you might have available that would be more appropriate.

I get your point. It just all seems bad when you are in this type of situation. It is hard for me to put anything down.

 

[ferretinmyshoes]

I get your point. It just all seems bad when you are in this type of situation. It is hard for me to put anything down.

I agree completely. No matter how you look at it, even when it's best, it still sucks.

 

[ScalesTailsandClaws]

I agree completely. No matter how you look at it, even when it's best, it still sucks.

You're supposed to put the animal in the refrigerator first to allow it to go into torpor before the freezer. No pain and no consciousness either. I still don't think it's humane though.... I agree 100% that it sucks. I'd just take the animal to the vet...

 

[ferretinmyshoes]

You're supposed to put the animal in the refrigerator first to allow it to go into torpor before the freezer. No pain and no consciousness either.

Says who? That does not make the animal go unconscious, simply too cold to move. So paralyzed and in pain as it freezes to death. Not humane.

 

[ScalesTailsandClaws]

Says multiple sources. And torpor does indeed make them go unconscious, at least in snakes. I agree though, not humane. It's just better than STRAIGHT into the freezer.

 

[sandrachameleon]

NO fridge, NO Freezer - unless you like to cause prolonged pain. even C02 has been shown to be less than ideal.

If you need to put down an animal, Take to vet and pay to have it euthanized humanely and properly.

Perhaps the deformity is not fresh? perhaps the animal has been living with the back issue for some time? An xray may provide some clues

 

[ScalesTailsandClaws]

Please don't assume my tone, by the way. I'm not trying to argue with you as you appear to have more reptile experience than me, and DEFINITELY more chameleon experience. I'm just trying to tell you what I'm pretty sure is true.

 

[sandrachameleon]

I'm just trying to tell you what I'm pretty sure is true.

No offense taken or intended,
but what you think is true simply is not IMO

 

[ScalesTailsandClaws]

NO fridge, NO Freezer - unless you like to cause prolonged pain. even C02 has been shown to be less than ideal.

If you need to put down an animal, Take to vet and pay to have it euthanized humanely and properly.

Perhaps the deformity is not fresh? perhaps the animal has been living with the back issue for some time? An xray may provide some clues

I agree with you on C02 for sure. I just have heard from many that temperatures below 40 will cause amphibians and reptiles to go into torpor which makes them go unconscious. This is how they often perform surgeries on snakes, such as the very inhumane practice called venomoid.
I agree though, the least you can do for the animal is to pay for a proper euthanization.