Chamaeleo zeylanicus...

[Motherlode Chameleon]

This one I DO recall watching before.
At the time I thought very similar in size and cask to a panther.
I'm a little surprised these fellows aren't a little more popular in pet trade.

You sure you do not mean similar in size and casque to a Veiled Chameleon (Chamaeleo calyptratus)? The Chamaeleo zeylanicus casque does not look similar to Furcifer pardalis's casque at all to me.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

 

[Lindasjackson]

I agree but I just wish pet stores wouldn’t sell chameleons to young kids with no experience as well as giving them all the wrong advice. I’d rather see money put into conserving them where they live and all this deforestation stopped!

 

[kinyonga]

Stopping the deforestation would before for us as well as the chameleons.
Best idea IMHO, would be to have enough chameleons taken from the wild that breeding colonies could be established for the pet trade so the wild ones could be left where they belong....and we could have CB ones that wood be raised in captivity so they would be used to it.

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

I agree but I just wish pet stores wouldn’t sell chameleons to young kids with no experience as well as giving them all the wrong advice. I’d rather see money put into conserving them where they live and all this deforestation stopped!

That is a topic and agenda everyone here could continue to progress towards. How about imported chameleons only sold to specialty stores instead of just every pet store and places they have no place being? That is the way chameleons are mostly sold now. Or chameleons in general only sold by reptile specialty stores?

The issues of conservation of chameleons in their native habitat and forestry issues is on going and progressing.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

 

[Lindasjackson]

Yes, chameleons only sold in specialty stores where they teach prospective buyers how to properly set them up and care for them. They should offer classes or even require a class to be attended before selling them a Cham!

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

The only species that I think could considered an exception to the rule to be put for sale at a place such as Pet Smart is captive bred Veiled Chameleon (Chamaeleo calyptratus). I would not condone the Trioeros jacksonii ssp. or Furcifer pardalis. The past husbandry I have seen for those species was not up to standards (hot lamps, dry conditions, not proper enclosures and etc..).

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

 

[Klyde O'Scope]

Before my dog passed away a couple of years ago, I would imagine him roaming some beautiful grassy hills, running free as a wild stallion. And before anyone states that dogs are not a good comparison, let me say this. Most dogs kept indoors should not be kept indoors at all. So many dogs get depressed being indoors, even if you walk them twice a day. Most of them are still wild at heart. Yet, most of us still choose to keep dogs. Honestly, I think it's more ethical to keep reptiles who are recluse and independent, than keeping a dog that needs companions and brain stimulation 24/7.

I was in the middle of composing a reply to this when our power suddenly went out for 12 hours.
All the reptiles are fine—temp only went down to 65F.

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Mendez, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. I would agree if considering wolves, coyotes, dingos and other wild canids, but dogs (in the vernacular) have been domesticated for some 40,000 years, when presumably they began living with us in caves.

Bonnie Beaver, DVM, executive director of the American College of Veterinary Behaviorists, said veterinarians don’t really know if dogs suffer from depression the same way people do.
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Beaver said although it’s not uncommon for pets to get down, especially during periods of change, it’s rare for dogs to suffer from long-term depression.
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Dog depression symptoms are very similar to those in people,
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But vets warn those symptoms also can mean a dog has a medical problem, so the first course of action should always be a full checkup by a veterinarian. A pet that mopes around and no longer wants to go for walks could simply have pain from arthritis, Beaver says.
https://pets.webmd.com/dogs/features/depression-in-dogs#1

See entire article (3 pages) for more.

I'd agree that most dogs are still dogs at heart.

I also disagree that dogs need stimulation 24/7 (hyperbole? ), and I think it's important not to confuse depression with boredom. Boredom can result in destructive behaviors/recalcitrance, but that is not depression.

Alone Time for Dogs: How Much Is Too Much?​

The amount of time dogs need to spend with humans varies depending on each individual pet A dog should spend no more than 6-8 hours alone during the day without a dog walker or dog daycare Recognize the signs of separation anxiety, which is a sign of stress when dogs are left alone

Working humans, students, families juggling busy schedules, and those who travel a lot may have to leave our dogs alone more often than we’d like.

Apologies for the OT digression. Bit of a hot button for me.

 

[Klyde O'Scope]

You sure you do not mean similar in size and casque to a Veiled Chameleon (Chamaeleo calyptratus)? The Chamaeleo zeylanicus casque does not look similar to Furcifer pardalis's casque at all to me.

This...

does not look like this...

to me.

At the time, it looked to me more like this...

 

[MissSkittles]

The only species that I think could considered an exception to the rule to be put for sale at a place such as Pet Smart is captive bred Veiled Chameleon (Chamaeleo calyptratus). I would not condone the Trioeros jacksonii ssp. or Furcifer pardalis. The past husbandry I have seen for those species was not up to standards (hot lamps, dry conditions, not proper enclosures and etc..).

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

Just curious why you think veileds could be an exception for selling at chain pet stores. Currently they are the majority sold at those stores and we see here every day how they suffer from improper husbandry. I don’t think there should be any exceptions in an ideal world…pet stores should not be selling any living creatures aside from feeder animals. If any exceptions were to be made, it would be for specialized stores who are able to demonstrate knowledge and ability to provide proper care for the animals and educate prospective buyers. However, in reality neither of us will probably see any of these changes in our lifetimes, if they ever happen at all so our points are moot.

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

This... View attachment 316521 does not look like this...View attachment 316522 to me.

At the time, it looked to me more like this... View attachment 316523

They have the same type of casque. However just on the casque of Chamaeleo zeylanicus the casque is not as pronounced. The shape of the heads and noses of Chamaeleo zeylanicus have got anatomical similarities to Chamaeleo calyptratus as well.

Just curious why you think veileds could be an exception for selling at chain pet stores. Currently they are the majority sold at those stores and we see here every day how they suffer from improper husbandry. I don’t think there should be any exceptions in an ideal world…pet stores should not be selling any living creatures aside from feeder animals. If any exceptions were to be made, it would be for specialized stores who are able to demonstrate knowledge and ability to provide proper care for the animals and educate prospective buyers. However, in reality neither of us will probably see any of these changes in our lifetimes, if they ever happen at all so our points are moot.

The terrariums with the type of UV lights and basking lights I have seen were only suitable for Chamaeleo calyptratus. The terrariums were to hot and dry for Furcifer pardais and Trioceros jacksonii ssp. Plus the only specimens I have seen doing well over the years in Pet Smart and other big chain stores terrariums is Chamaeleo calyptratus. I think unless those bigger stores show some improvement in their chameleon husbandry they should just stay with the one species that works out for them. They would have to show significant improvement in the terrariums they keep other species to change my mind.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich