Coccidia... Help and cleaning advice. Please..

[Decadancin]

I have been paying attention! I am reading all comments! The developments are very sad and painful to watch and endure!

I have blocked my children's access to the forums for now (possibly till they are adults) They should not have to see all of this! They have been taking care of the father and mother of Bahari! They had helped me dig up Bahari's egg when it was laid! They were excited when he hatched and were in awe of his color and character as both developed in to magnificence! They were so sad when I decided to sell him! They wanted to keep him as a breeder! Despite for how many chameleons we have, we do not use automatic misting! Everyone in the family helps taking care of the babies! Each and every baby is raised with love and the utmost care! My children should be spared the pain of this thread!

So many, many chameleons have left our loving care (driven by research, with the health and longevity of each chameleon as our focus) through the years without incidence and have transitioned very well into their new homes!

People who praise you today will stick a crown of thorns on your head tomorrow! When the time is ready we will discuss our perspective and experience in detail! To those of you who are so eager to cast stones please remember there are always at least two sides to a story....

Matt,

I'm not sure where this is coming from, but this is not like you. First, I don't have kids, but I will comment on you blocking them. Life is not always easy, and you can't protect your kids from pain forever. They need to understand the dangers of what can happen to fully understand what it means to take on this kind of responsibility. It is how you discuss things with them when exposed that makes you and @Teal Beauty the great parents you are (I have already commented previously on this!) They should not have to be blocked from something they obviously have a passion for, but I understand wanting to protect them.

You have a very long and proven record of breeding and selling healthy and beautiful chameleons. This thread is not questioning you but the very nature of the topic does bring some unspoken issues into the forefront and that makes it a sensitive subject. Many here are trying to help Becca through this with the best advice they know. Part of this is trying to support her that she did not do anything wrong and this is not her fault, but she is strong enough to deal with this and get through it with success.

I am not a vet, but in my opinion...

THERE IS NO WAY THAT THE ANIMAL COULD HAVE DEVELOPED THAT PARASITE LOAD IN JUST A FEW DAYS SINCE BEING IN BECCA'S CARE...

I hope that is clear to everyone that is reading this.

@Matt Vanilla Gorilla , I am not blaming you for anything, but I would be scared to death right now if I were in your position. Is this isolated to one animal? Please be very vigilant with your entire collection. For everyone else reading this, please do not bring Matt into this discussion. Becca is going through enough already and did not want to even bring this out into the public view to avoid any confrontation or drama. (Just read her first post!) She did not want to soil the image of a very respected member of the Forums. She cared enough even while going through this ordeal. She just needed help.

Thank you to all who have tried to offer suggestions and support. For those who post anything that could lead to argument or debate in this thread I promise I will deal with it quickly. Feel free to start another discussion if you need to, but do not involve Becca unless she decides to join on her own. Also, if you do, please remain respectful and do not violate any site rules. Matt, please do not take my words here as an attack on you. They are not. I just didn't find that you needed to post what you did. You are a very respectable person and such a value to the Forums and I don't want this situation to tarnish that image.

Becca, I can offer my prayers for you and tell you that you are doing everything possible. I know you are strong enough to get through this, and I thank you for sharing your experience so others can learn from it. Please do not hesitate to reach out to me by PM if you need to.

Matt, if you want to reply please start a new thread and quote my message in it so I can discuss it with you. Or if you want, you can just send me a PM.

I will reopen this thread to comments, but again, I am watching...

 

[Decadancin]

Matt is not a "protected" forum member. There are no protected forum members. He can speak for himself when he decides to. I have already commented on his last response and you can go back and read it again. In no way did I exonerate anyone for anything. I gave my opinion. It is there for all to see.

Again, this thread is to help Becca with the situation that is going on concerning the health of her chameleon. Anything else should be discussed elsewhere if need be.

I'm not reading any responses and don't have time for drama.

So you need to read this response... https://www.chameleonforums.com/threads/coccidia-help-and-cleaning-advice-please.170202/post-1500488

Just in case you skipped it.

 

[Decadancin]

I get it, he's a protected forum member, for whatever reason. I'll probably get warninged to kingdom come for this. My guess is this post will be deleted or something, but i couldn't hold back after knowing the facts. I'm not out to get anyone for no reason, I wouldn't be wasting my time texting this up... I just want to see my friend made right, which hasn't happened

Since the previous post was in fact deleted, I will leave this part to explain my answer above. I wasn't kidding about staying on topic. No warnings have been issued, but stay on topic. To remind everyone about the topic, it is
Coccidia... Help and Cleaning Advice...

 

[jamest0o0]

I'm sorry for my protected forum member comment. I should have left that out, but i just haven't seen any action come down on what I think is a scam.

I also didn't see your post deca... I skimmed through and wanted to post my thoughts on it without getting intertwined with the drama.

 

[Decadancin]

I'm sorry for my protected forum member comment. I should have left that out, but i just haven't seen any action come down on what I think is a scam.

I also didn't see your post deca... I skimmed through and wanted to post my thoughts on it without getting intertwined with the drama.

I get it. I also understand your view. Not sure if I agree that there is a scam, but that doesn't matter here. I just wanted you to see what I posted in case you did not read it. I have posted before reading all content and it can be tricky. I just want to give Becca the support she needs to get through this. I know she can!

 

[Beman]

I want to start off by saying thank you to those who have lifted me up through this. Who have told me I could do this. Who have answered my phone calls and messages at all hours. To those who sent me private messages just sending their prayers and love. I have had a few hours of sleep but I have read through the additional messages this morning. So from the bottom of my heart... thank you all for holding me together through this.

This situation has been one that I was not expecting. Now that everyone has been able to say their piece I would like to shift this back to the situation with Bahari and getting him healthy.

I made the hospital bin last night. I had to put him in a box when I left to go to the store because he fell two additional times from the top catching the bottom branch and smacking himself against the floor of the cage. When I got home I put together the bin, took him sleeping from the box and put him straight into the bin. Since it was after his lights went out I put him in for the night to sleep. I am attaching pics of my hospital bin for those that need to do this. I have the t5 uvb and fluckers dimmable basking fixture on it and will have to monitor temps very closely.

I think Bahari may have hurt himself when he fell. He is moving very slowly this morning and using his tail constantly for support. His chest seems to be more extended then what I have seen from him.

I called the Vet they are fitting me in as an urgent appointment at 1pm today after my Vet is out of surgery. I will be stepping back from the forum this morning trying to get everything together and monitor him all on 3 hours sleep. I will post an update when I get home...

 

[Daesie11]

I want to start off by saying thank you to those who have lifted me up through this. Who have told me I could do this. Who have answered my phone calls and messages at all hours. To those who sent me private messages just sending their prayers and love. I have had a few hours of sleep but I have read through the additional messages this morning. So from the bottom of my heart... thank you all for holding me together through this.

This situation has been one that I was not expecting. Now that everyone has been able to say their piece I would like to shift this back to the situation with Bahari and getting him healthy.

I made the hospital bin last night. I had to put him in a box when I left to go to the store because he fell two additional times from the top catching the bottom branch and smacking himself against the floor of the cage. When I got home I put together the bin, took him sleeping from the box and put him straight into the bin. Since it was after his lights went out I put him in for the night to sleep. I am attaching pics of my hospital bin for those that need to do this. I have the t5 uvb and fluckers dimmable basking fixture on it and will have to monitor temps very closely.

I think Bahari may have hurt himself when he fell. He is moving very slowly this morning and using his tail constantly for support. His chest seems to be more extended then what I have seen from him.

I called the Vet they are fitting me in as an urgent appointment at 1pm today after my Vet is out of surgery. I will be stepping back from the forum this morning trying to get everything together and monitor him all on 3 hours sleep. I will post an update when I get home...


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How do you have the lights attached to the bin? I can imagine the heat could cause an issue for the plastic?

 

[Beman]

How do you have the lights attached to the bin? I can imagine the heat could cause an issue for the plastic?

I have the heat lamp clamped to the side and angled down with the T5 fixture directly across it horizontally sitting on the side plastic and I had to put a board accross the other side for it to sit on. I checked my UVI output as well with the solarmeter to make sure it was at the 3-4 level.

 

[cyberlocc]

How do you have the lights attached to the bin? I can imagine the heat could cause an issue for the plastic?

Those bins can take quite a bit of heat. We use them for roaches and lots use them for snakes, where they are heated into 100+ degrees 24/7, it should be okay.

 

[Daesie11]

Those bins can take quite a bit of heat. We use them for roaches and lots use them for snakes, where they are heated into 100+ degrees 24/7, it should be okay.

Oh duh, snakes lol

 

[jannb]

Keep a good eye on his temps too because it can get really hot in the plastic bins.

 

[snitz427]

Just be careful with the heat because the bin is going to contain/reflect the heat a lot more than the screen cage would. I've seen a keeper (with multiple "special needs" chams) use large plastic deer netting as a climbing surface for her chams with severe MDB. It lets them grip and climb a little, but also acts like a safety net to keep them from falling if they let go. It's plastic so its easy to wash or toss. Those vines might be tricky to disinfect.

I'm really not sure if it is advisable to move him much, but maybe he would appreciate sitting outside in the shade with you for a little bit of fresh air? I would stay out of direct sunlight, and out of the heat... but since he's in a hospital bin, taking him outside a little might not be so disruptive or stressful.

I'm anxiously watching for an update. I wish you were closer so I could help babysit!

 

[Beman]

Keep a good eye on his temps too because it can get really hot in the plastic bins.

Just be careful with the heat because the bin is going to contain/reflect the heat a lot more than the screen cage would. I've seen a keeper (with multiple "special needs" chams) use large plastic deer netting as a climbing surface for her chams with severe MDB. It lets them grip and climb a little, but also acts like a safety net to keep them from falling if they let go. It's plastic so its easy to wash or toss. Those vines might be tricky to disinfect.

I'm really not sure if it is advisable to move him much, but maybe he would appreciate sitting outside in the shade with you for a little bit of fresh air? I would stay out of direct sunlight, and out of the heat... but since he's in a hospital bin, taking him outside a little might not be so disruptive or stressful.

I'm anxiously watching for an update. I wish you were closer so I could help babysit!

I have a zoo med digital thermometer on the basking branch.. It is reading 78. I just took the temp on Bahari and it is reading 85. So far so good. I am watching him and the bin and checking temps every 15 minutes. I can dim down the basking bulb as well. Thank god I work from home. I could not imagine dealing with all this and having to leave the house for work.

He is not moving around much at all. I think he hurts. I am going to leave him be now to relax. I just want it to be 1pm and be able to take him in to the Vet.

When I get hom from Vet I will modify the hospital bin to accommodate the coccidia and him falling. Then at least he will already be in the box from taking him to the vet and I will not cause additional stress to him.

 

[snitz427]

he is probably also exhausted. You know how awful it is to not feel well, where you can't get out of bed... and this poor little guy feels that way plus sore and exhausted from falling. The hospital bin was the right decision... he needs to rest and so do you. Hang in there!

 

[jannb]

I have a zoo med digital thermometer on the basking branch.. It is reading 78. I just took the temp on Bahari and it is reading 85. So far so good. I am watching him and the bin and checking temps every 15 minutes. I can dim down the basking bulb as well. Thank god I work from home. I could not imagine dealing with all this and having to leave the house for work.

He is not moving around much at all. I think he hurts. I am going to leave him be now to relax. I just want it to be 1pm and be able to take him in to the Vet.

When I get hom from Vet I will modify the hospital bin to accommodate the coccidia and him falling. Then at least he will already be in the box from taking him to the vet and I will not cause additional stress to him.

I’m praying really hard for your boy.

 

[Beman]

@JacksJill @jannb

He keeps falling to the floor of the bin. His grip is so weak. Should I put him in the box so he sleeps since I leave in an hour and a half to take him to the vet?

 

[JacksJill]

I would let him just sit on the floor then, no branch. Poor little thing. If he is flailing around maybe darkness will help him save his strength. I don't have a concrete answer for this situation. Sorry.

 

[snitz427]

Dangit I was thinking 1pm EST, I forgot we are in different time zones. I would just take him in the hospital bin and put a towel over it.

 

[snitz427]

Fyi heres rhe plastic netting I was talking about. It is rigid and larger holes, so he would be able to get a grip but no risk if he slips.

 

[Beman]

Update: Took some time to settle my self after I got home from the Vet.

Bahari is no longer with us. There were multiple complications from falling along with trying to fight the coccidia. He was extremely weak and hardly moving at all. I gave him the only thing I could, which was a pain free passing.

I know for many this situation will cause anger. Please for my sake, I do not want this situation to turn into a firestorm. I need to move past this experience.

I will continue to get the fecals on Beman over the next 3 months to ensure that he has not contracted the coccidia. I will be taking everything that is contaminated to the dump and continue cleaning everything possible to ensure Beman does not get it too.

I will be stepping back from the forum for a little while. This situation has rocked me to the core. My passion for this hobby has been shaken. I have been having issues with anxiety and depression since this all started, on top of my existing heart condition. I am physically unable to handle anything else or any more stress.

Thank you again to everyone… Your support is the only thing that kept me going each day. The community here is truly one of love and compassion. This is why I have been so active here. Surrounded by people that understand my love for these animals and this hobby. I love you all and thank you sincerely for showing me such kindness.