Concerns for Female Jackson

Hinzfamily

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I have pretty much read every thread on here that relates to female Jackson's at this point. I have tried to correct everything in my Jackson's set up that I can on my own. I am posting this because every time I think I have the perfect setup for her, I read something else and realize I am doing something wrong. I will list my concerns in greater detail at the bottom but a short summary is that I think she is too stressed out right now, and she isn't eating. I am wondering if it is my setup and if there are any tweaks I can do to make her less stressed and start to eat.


Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. How long has it been in your care? Jackson, Female, around 9-12 months (total guess), 2+ weeks.
Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon? Only the first day we got her ( just a bit before we put her in her cage ).
Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders? crickets, superworms, mealworms, wax worms., First day she ate about 8 crickets, about 3-4 the next few days, and then went on a three day hunger strike. I tried meal worms with no luck. I then got her to eat three super worms right out of a cup in my hand. That was a week ago and I haven't seen her eat since. She will not cup feed, won't eat out of my hand, and I have put crickets and worms in her cage for her to hunt and she wont eat them that way either :(. I feed the crickets squash, apples, spinach, and kale, along with a dry gutload I made from a recipe off this forum.
Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule? reptical (calicum 3 times a week no d3 (but she isn't always eating them), plan on d3 and multi once a month.
Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking? I have an automatic mister that goes off every three hours for 60 secs. I also set it off manually for about 4 minutes once in the afternoon. I didn't see her drink the first week and was concerned that she had some orange in her urine. The past 4-5 days she is drinking a lot, but I haven't seen a poop or urine.
Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. She has only pooped three times since I got her, and hasn't since last wednesday. At that time it was a hard oval black object, with white and a bit of orange urine.
Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites? No
History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you. I bought her at pet smart. After reading some stories and looking at other female cham pics, I was concerned she might be pregnant. I am really not sure now, as sometimes her belly looks huge and other times it does not. The pet store gives me different information about her every time I talk to them. I believe she was at the pet store somewhere between 2-4 months, and she was already a green color when they got her. She lived in a tiny glass tank with lots of fake foliage, and only ate crickets. One of the ladies at the pet store told me they took her out all the time and she would sit on their shoulder. I find this very hard to believe, along with everything else they have said.

Cage Info:
Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions? reptibreeze 18x18x36 screen
Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule? zoo med 24in 5.0 uvb (hangs over the edge of my viv. I bought it big in case I upgrade the size of the viv. 60 watt house bulb for heat.
Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps? backing 80-85, rest of viv between 68-72. I have a digital zoo med probe reader in the basking area and 3 other strip temp gages in other areas.
Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity? humidity between 48-52% during the day, min of 38% at night, max gets up to 90% during misting. I have a digital probe reader for humidity.
Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind? Gardena and Pothos and varies fake vines.
Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor? Her cage is in a spare bedroom, we keep the door closed. There is no traffic except to check on her. I go in there about 4 times a day to feed or check her temps and/or clean her cage. Her cage is on a table that sits about three feet off the floor.
Location - Where are you geographically located? we are in maryland

Current Problem - She seems very stressed out. I am thinking this based on her coloring. She starts off the day light green, and then turns dark green and black during the day. She also is NOT eating at all. The last time she ate was wednesday. I have tried EVERY bug and worm I could get my hands on. I am gut loading these critters with better food then my family gets, only for her to totally reject everything I give her. She ate fine the first 3 to 4 days I had her. Then went on a three day hunger strike. She then ate 3 super worms out of a cup in my hand last wednesday and NOTHING since.

She is not sleeping during the day. She moves around the cage a bit and seems to still goto her basking spot even though she isn't eating. She mostly just hangs out on her branches or in the Gardena plant. She is drinking a good bit now, but I haven't seen a poop or urine since her drinking picked up.

I am leaving for 8 days and have a friend coming over two times a day to take care of her while I am gone. I have set up another viv with lighting, two plants, fake vines and branches in case she has some babies while I am gone. I also have a stash of flightless fruit flies for the babies (if there are any).

Please let me know if I am doing anything wrong or you have any ideas how to get her to eat. Should I try the flightless fruit flies? Also please comment on her coloring and if you think this means she is stressed. Are there any suggestions on how to reduce her stress?
 

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Chams will turn darker colors to thermoregulate in an attempt to take in more heat. Try raising temps slightly, if she maintains her dark colors then it is likely that she is gravid. Best to give her a laying bin just in case :) it is very common for chams to lose their appetites while gravid and about to lay.

*DERP: completely forgot it was a jackson :p
 
I didn't think that Jackson's needed a laying bin since they had live births. I have a ceramic heater bulb should I try using that to increase her temps? What would you recommend? 85-90 for basking vs the 80-85? Should I also increase the overall cage temp or just the basking? Thanks for your reply. I was thinking that she might be not eating because of her getting ready to have the babies, but I just didn't want to rely on that being the answer and find out I was doing something else wrong. Especially since I am leaving for the holidays on Friday and training my friend to take care of her while I am gone.

I also started using warmer water in my mister a few days ago. However it still seems to come out a bit colder then I would like.
 
Help .. Not eating and need vet in maryland

Tomorrow will mark one week that my Jackson has been on a hunger strike. I am trying to find a good vet, but unfortunately the one I thought I was going to use is out of business. Does anyone know of a good rep vet in Maryland? Also please let me know if there is anything I can do to make my girl eat. She is noticeably thinner at this point and I am very worried about her.
 
until you can get a vet visit, its important to keep up her nutrition especially if she is pregnant. You can squash up some bugs and mix it with vitamins, fruits, and veggies to make a healthy bug juice and apply it directly into her mouth via syringe.
 
Do you shut her lights off at night? A vet visit probably won't do you any good imo. Added stress and most vets would be guessing at causes for not eating. I don't feed any wax worms. Flies are a favorite of Jackson's if you can get some.
 
Her lights go out between 8:30 and 9pm every night, and back on around 6:30am. I will try squishing up the bugs and vitamins. She hasn't showed any interest in the wax worms at all, that was just me grabbing at straws trying to find something to interest her. I hadn't taken her to the vet yet because I didn't want to stress her out more. I agree they won't help me with this issue, but I am just running out of ideas. Thanks for your posts. I will try the bug juice right now.
 
Before you rush off to a vet, which can cause her undue stress, go over
everything you are doing very carefully.
Is she drinking enough water?

I cant tell from your pics, but looks like she could use more vines, branches
and leaves to hide and feel more secure.

How do her poops look (if she even is pooping!) and her urates?

Is there anything in her view which could be scaring her?
Reflections, bright colors, fast or lots of traffic and movement around her, etc.

Double check her basking temps with a probe thermometer placed a few
inches above her favorite basking spot.
Monitor the temp over a few hours.

How old is the UV bulb?
They can go bad after 6 months.

Also, I once had a cham who would not eat food dusted with a certain brand
of calcium powder. When I switched to Repashy Calcium plus, he ate it!
Go figure :confused: I guess they have tastes like we do!!??

Try putting the crickets in her cage free range style, for her to hunt, then stand away from
the cage to watch.
Some chams are shy about eating and drinking if they know you are watching
 
Thanks for the info on the vet. I will check them out!!

Well I started down the track of making bug juice this morning after she wouldn't eat for the 6th day in a row, but before I did it I took the smallest cricket out and hung it right in front of her. I could tell by her eyes that she had a bit of interest, so I placed it on a leaf right next to her. She immediately grabbed it. I continued to pull out the smaller crickets and place them next to her and she ate 6 in total. Hopefully this is the end of her picky eating. I will make sure i go down a size on the crickets in my next purchase. I am not sure if it was the size, or she was trying to tell me something with her hunger strike… but she finally gave in.
 
Before you rush off to a vet, which can cause her undue stress, go over
everything you are doing very carefully.
Is she drinking enough water?I think so, she was slow to start with water. It was a week before I saw her drink, but now she drinks almost every time I am in there.

I cant tell from your pics, but looks like she could use more vines, branches
and leaves to hide and feel more secure.I took some vines and branches from the spare cage I have set up and added it to the top. Thanks, she is already climbing them to check them out.

How do her poops look (if she even is pooping!) and her urates?her poops were solid black and oval, her urates was a bit orange. Her last poop and urates was about 5 days ago. She is drinking a lot more since then. So I am hoping the orange is gone on her next one.

Is there anything in her view which could be scaring her?I guess just me when I go into the room. I do have a second cage set up right next to hers, but the only thing in it is vines and plants.
Reflections, bright colors, fast or lots of traffic and movement around her, etc. She is in a room by herself and I only go in there to check on her and try to feed her.

Double check her basking temps with a probe thermometer placed a few
inches above her favorite basking spot.
Monitor the temp over a few hours. I do have a probe right above her basking spot. It is ranging between 80-82, Yesterday I added a ceramic heat bulb that I only run in the morning to warm things up, and it brought the basking temps up to 85-87.

How old is the UV bulb? about 2 weeks


Also, I once had a cham who would not eat food dusted with a certain brand
of calcium powder. When I switched to Repashy Calcium plus, he ate it!
Go figure :confused: I guess they have tastes like we do!!??

Maybe that was it, because I didn't even dust these crickets this morning. I will try another brand just in case that was what was stopping her. Thanks for saving me the vet visit. I totally agree that they wouldn't been able to fix this for her.
 
Where is this place?
Their website doesn't even have an address.
I have been going to Dr Rhody in Laurel MD.

It's in Gaithersburg not too far from Olney. You have to call for an appointment then they'll give you the address. Not sure why they do it that way, but they're good.
 
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