Cross-Breeding?
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renzo0684
Avid Member
Well all I know is you cant cross breed species like a chamaeleo and a fucifer. Thats like trying to breed a dog and a cat...I think you can cross breed within the same species but I am not sure
Lancecham
New Member
As Renzo said, you can't cross different types of chameleons as it doesn't work. You can however, breed various types of panther chameleons. The babies are just as healthy and you end up with very unique coloration. "Crossed" babies are not as worth as much.
There are two lines of thinking about this. First, those who don't feel you should mix the bloodlines and then those who think it is ok as they like one of a kind coloration.
This topic has been brought up many, many times before on this form. So I would suggest reading up on some past posts and you will see that people are very divided on this issue. So after reading them, you can develop your own views.
There are two lines of thinking about this. First, those who don't feel you should mix the bloodlines and then those who think it is ok as they like one of a kind coloration.
This topic has been brought up many, many times before on this form. So I would suggest reading up on some past posts and you will see that people are very divided on this issue. So after reading them, you can develop your own views.
Lizardlover
New Member
Actually chameleons within the same genus have more of a probability of crossbreeding. However, chameleons of different genus have no possibility of breeding at all. And its not like breeding a cat or dog because all true chameleons are chamaeleonidae, cats and dogs belong to two different families. Felis and Canis.
Cross breeding locales is another can of worms to open so do your research on these forums and decide for yourself whether its good or bad, for pets I dont see a problem, but I dont think cross-locale chameleons should be bred. And another issue you run into is cross-locale females which can be sold as purebred females, which can more problems for pure breeders.
Cross breeding locales is another can of worms to open so do your research on these forums and decide for yourself whether its good or bad, for pets I dont see a problem, but I dont think cross-locale chameleons should be bred. And another issue you run into is cross-locale females which can be sold as purebred females, which can more problems for pure breeders.
Matt1851
New Member
sorry thats what i meant, so from what i understand is that cross bredding say i nosy be and a bb ambilobe to get a female and sell is as a pure say nosy be is the problem?
It's a problem because it's lying and unethical, and causes people problems down the road if they were wanting to breed her. Sell it for what it is, and if you don't know, then say so.
sandrachameleon
Chameleon Enthusiast
There's nothing actually bad about breeding different panther locals together. Its just the some people very strongly prefer a static "pure" local and would like everyone else to feel the same
You might like to read some of the previous threads on this topic
Panther Cross-breeding debates:
https://www.chameleonforums.com/panther-hybrids-329/
https://www.chameleonforums.com/cross...panthers-31504
https://www.chameleonforums.com/crossbreeding-25079/
https://www.chameleonforums.com/why-n...ambilobe-7124/
https://www.chameleonforums.com/why-o...08/#post378125
obviously, falsehood is always a problem.
sandrachameleon
Chameleon Enthusiast
hmm i see i see, well i think im gunna jsut stick to a good old veiled for my next cham
LOL
Ya interestingly, people on this forum dont seem to get at all heated about the selective breeding that goes on with veileds for particular colouration (or lack thereof in the case of translu)
Olimpia
Biologist & Ecologist
Yes, that's an interesting observation. People don't realize that with panthers we are still selectively breeding to get "perfect" specimens, which may or may not be an acurate representation of individuals in the wild. Like Nosy bes probably, in captivity breeders strive for a perfect solid turquoise animal, but in the wild there is probably much more variation of red and blue stripes. I have no direct experience with wild chameleons, but I imagine that's probably the case. My little Nosy is the son of a wild caught male, and this male has a lot more red and variety than most of the Nosys on the market (I can't say what my little one looks like yet, but I imagine he'll have red on his face and head as well).
Matt1851
New Member
ya i noticed my nosy has alot of red on him too!
Julirs
New Member
The problem with mixed locales getting out into the breeding pool is not all about females. For example, what do you think about this Nosy? You like him? If I were less than reputable I could sell him for a few hundred as a pure Nosy. He is only 8 months old and very large. Someone could breed him, and only after their babies came out with all kinds of green yellow and orange, like the second picture which is a clutch mate of the first would they know he was not pure.
warpdrive
Avid Member
That is never a problem....
Because if I wanted a faly female I would pay the big bucks and buy from someone I trust.
I would not buy a WC female that can change hands 500 times before I get her and have to "PRY".
No one wanting to breed truly pure would ever chance such a thing. This is silly. Not for something like a nosy be.
Sandra, you hit the nail right on the head.
Harry
Because if I wanted a faly female I would pay the big bucks and buy from someone I trust.
I would not buy a WC female that can change hands 500 times before I get her and have to "PRY".
No one wanting to breed truly pure would ever chance such a thing. This is silly. Not for something like a nosy be.
Sandra, you hit the nail right on the head.
Harry
Elizadolots
New Member
Maybe that's one of the reasons I find these discussions weird...I know I've read posts by people saying "crosses are bad" in one thread and then, the same people, in another saying "ooh, cool translucent!"...I guess Veileds are sufficiently domesticated that it's seen as okay to breed for fun, not great in the wild traits....
Julirs
New Member
Totally different. You are trying to compare a naturally occurring trait in veileds (a veiled is a veiled) to geographic diversity in panthers.
Elizadolots
New Member
Really? A veiled is a veiled is a veiled? There is no geographic diversity? I find that astonishing as even my silly little Fischer's are obviously very different.
See...to me, it just seems like breeders working with their stock...it's not like any of you will be releasing your animals back to the wild to re-inhabit an area, is it?
Whatever blending of the locales happens in cages isn't going to pollute the wild population. I mean, really...my pug/boston mix did nothing to delete the genetic purity of the coyotes and wolves living in the canyon/park we live by.
I think what really needs to happen is an expansion of what Chris Anderson is working on. There needs to be a chameleon registration that holds strict standards and awards good breeding standards and true progeny.
That will help maintain the pure lines.
It will also free the mutts to be sold for cheap to those who just want a pet.
See...to me, it just seems like breeders working with their stock...it's not like any of you will be releasing your animals back to the wild to re-inhabit an area, is it?
Whatever blending of the locales happens in cages isn't going to pollute the wild population. I mean, really...my pug/boston mix did nothing to delete the genetic purity of the coyotes and wolves living in the canyon/park we live by.
I think what really needs to happen is an expansion of what Chris Anderson is working on. There needs to be a chameleon registration that holds strict standards and awards good breeding standards and true progeny.
That will help maintain the pure lines.
It will also free the mutts to be sold for cheap to those who just want a pet.
cambech
New Member
Hmmm...interesting. Like AKC registration?
sandrachameleon
Chameleon Enthusiast
One could easily say a Furcifer pardalis is a Furcifer pardalis.
