Eggbound?

She went back to a big box store. I briefly worked in P**S****. They called the room where the sick animals went the "quiet" room but I called it the back room of death. It was basically where animals went to suffer and die out of the customer's view. Especially the reptiles. Veterinary care is nonexistent and cuts into profit. Sadly this cham probably won't get any care whatever and will be kept in the back until she dies.
 
microracer24 said:
Were you dusting her food with calcium? If not she has MBD and that is why she has broken bones.
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Yes of course I have, been doing this for five months. All I can say she had a bad fall and one or more of her rib cage is broken due to heavy weight and maybe twisted her arms too. So the Vet is keeping her, if she will survive, it will be giving to someone else.
 
Chachi said:
You couldnt find any dirt? Are you on earth? Lol. Go dig some in a field or a yard. You gotta have at least a foot of dirt. You gotta quit moving her around and changing things up. She isnt gonna lay anything if she feels insecure
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Gotta be careful what you put in there, my girl here has a bad habits of eating stuffs like that, so that is why I use green mats on the bottom.
 
Nursemaia said:
She went back to a big box store. I briefly worked in P**S****. They called the room where the sick animals went the "quiet" room but I called it the back room of death. It was basically where animals went to suffer and die out of the customer's view. Especially the reptiles. Veterinary care is nonexistent and cuts into profit. Sadly this cham probably won't get any care whatever and will be kept in the back until she dies.
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That what I am concern about too, but don't think I can do anything good for her here and didn't have the proper tools to work with her. Anyway I wont be getting anymore chameleons, they are too fragile and weak. Infact I cant see how they manage to survive in the wild, cant run, cant fly, predators can get them so easily if they cant hide on time. Don't think they can swim either, maybe float, but still gotta breath.
 
Mr.Magoo said:
That what I am concern about too, but don't think I can do anything good for her here and didn't have the proper tools to work with her. Anyway I wont be getting anymore chameleons, they are too fragile and weak. Infact I cant see how they manage to survive in the wild, cant run, cant fly, predators can get them so easily if they cant hide on time. Don't think they can swim either, maybe float, but still gotta breath.
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I'm sorry this has been your first chameleon experience.

I have many many wild caught chameleons that have come to me pretty battered up, dehydrated and a few that were knocking on death's door. I have found chameleons to be incredibly tough and not all that easy to kill when they have been raised under perfect conditions (in the wild). I've found my babies that I've raised to be very very tough, too. I work very hard to give my animals the best possible conditions in captivity but that is no easy task.

Babies like veileds found in pet shops are poorly fed and come from eggs of mothers who were poorly fed and housed who also came from mothers who were poorly fed and housed. They do not have the advantages my wild caughts have or even the babies my wild caughts produce. Most veiled females produce one clutch and then are spent. They don't live long enough to produce a second clutch. (Of course, it doesn't have to be this way but that is the business model of many commercial operations that produce veileds for places like PetSmark.) These baby veiled hatch with MBD. They wholesale for about $8. How the heck can you produce and feed a healthy animal for $8?

I don't dispute that many chameleons don't do well in captivity, but most of that can be traced to the quality of the baby that emerges from the egg. There is a reason one should buy from a reputable breeder and it shows in the overall health of the baby right out of the egg.

While chameleons might not be the pet for you, I have to challenge your assumption that just because you haven't experienced a robust, healthy chameleon that they are fragile. I'm sorry, they just are not fragile.
 
jajeanpierre said:
I'm sorry this has been your first chameleon experience.

I have many many wild caught chameleons that have come to me pretty battered up, dehydrated and a few that were knocking on death's door. I have found chameleons to be incredibly tough and not all that easy to kill when they have been raised under perfect conditions (in the wild). I've found my babies that I've raised to be very very tough, too. I work very hard to give my animals the best possible conditions in captivity but that is no easy task.

Babies like veileds found in pet shops are poorly fed and come from eggs of mothers who were poorly fed and housed who also came from mothers who were poorly fed and housed. They do not have the advantages my wild caughts have or even the babies my wild caughts produce. Most veiled females produce one clutch and then are spent. They don't live long enough to produce a second clutch. (Of course, it doesn't have to be this way but that is the business model of many commercial operations that produce veileds for places like PetSmark.) These baby veiled hatch with MBD. They wholesale for about $8. How the heck can you produce and feed a healthy animal for $8?

I don't dispute that many chameleons don't do well in captivity, but most of that can be traced to the quality of the baby that emerges from the egg. There is a reason one should buy from a reputable breeder and it shows in the overall health of the baby right out of the egg.

While chameleons might not be the pet for you, I have to challenge your assumption that just because you haven't experienced a robust, healthy chameleon that they are fragile. I'm sorry, they just are not fragile.
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I would agree with this. I wouldn't think of them as fragile either. They do require certain essential things to keep them healthy and this can make them more challenging than some other animals, but any animal you have will seem fragile without its basic needs being fulfilled. You were not dealt a great starting hand with that particular animal and if you would not have had the added challenges of pre-existing medical and overall health issues you likely would not feel the same way.
 
jajeanpierre said:
I'm sorry this has been your first chameleon experience.

I have many many wild caught chameleons that have come to me pretty battered up, dehydrated and a few that were knocking on death's door. I have found chameleons to be incredibly tough and not all that easy to kill when they have been raised under perfect conditions (in the wild). I've found my babies that I've raised to be very very tough, too. I work very hard to give my animals the best possible conditions in captivity but that is no easy task.

Babies like veileds found in pet shops are poorly fed and come from eggs of mothers who were poorly fed and housed who also came from mothers who were poorly fed and housed. They do not have the advantages my wild caughts have or even the babies my wild caughts produce. Most veiled females produce one clutch and then are spent. They don't live long enough to produce a second clutch. (Of course, it doesn't have to be this way but that is the business model of many commercial operations that produce veileds for places like PetSmark.) These baby veiled hatch with MBD. They wholesale for about $8. How the heck can you produce and feed a healthy animal for $8?

I don't dispute that many chameleons don't do well in captivity, but most of that can be traced to the quality of the baby that emerges from the egg. There is a reason one should buy from a reputable breeder and it shows in the overall health of the baby right out of the egg.

While chameleons might not be the pet for you, I have to challenge your assumption that just because you haven't experienced a robust, healthy chameleon that they are fragile. I'm sorry, they just are not fragile.
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That is interesting, wasn't aware they can be tough. I use to have a bearded dragon for sometime, interesting little thing. The reason I got this chameleon it was on sale for 1/2 and she was young (didn't know she was a female then). A month later since I had her, I check back with Petco and three or four other little chameleons were in that tank and didn't look so good and mine have grown much more, maybe close to twice at the size and she was very happy.

I do have one more question, not sure if this could be related to her problem. This UVB bulb I have here, least it is twelve inches away where she like to sit and relax. 26w I believe, only one they had at Petco. Few days later after I gotten this bulb, showing black stuffs on the very bottom of that bulb and wondering if that bulb isn't any good.

Anyway I have two little green basilisks here, I did some research and have everything I need and hopefully it will work. Once they get bigger they will move into larger area I made for them. I did put that chameleon as her new home, she didn't like and wont eat, so I put her back and back to normal.

Wondering if those chameleons they had in that tank has died, some around that month going back for crickets and noticed a Iguana was very sick and look like it is about to die, a young one. I mention it to one of the worker, a young man doesn't seem to have any experience what he is doing and probably didn't do anything about it. Just hate walking into a pet place that they don't really care for the reptiles, mammals and animals. Just sad to see this happen there.
 
jajeanpierre said:
I'm sorry this has been your first chameleon experience.

I have many many wild caught chameleons that have come to me pretty battered up, dehydrated and a few that were knocking on death's door. I have found chameleons to be incredibly tough and not all that easy to kill when they have been raised under perfect conditions (in the wild). I've found my babies that I've raised to be very very tough, too. I work very hard to give my animals the best possible conditions in captivity but that is no easy task.

Babies like veileds found in pet shops are poorly fed and come from eggs of mothers who were poorly fed and housed who also came from mothers who were poorly fed and housed. They do not have the advantages my wild caughts have or even the babies my wild caughts produce. Most veiled females produce one clutch and then are spent. They don't live long enough to produce a second clutch. (Of course, it doesn't have to be this way but that is the business model of many commercial operations that produce veileds for places like PetSmark.) These baby veiled hatch with MBD. They wholesale for about $8. How the heck can you produce and feed a healthy animal for $8?

I don't dispute that many chameleons don't do well in captivity, but most of that can be traced to the quality of the baby that emerges from the egg. There is a reason one should buy from a reputable breeder and it shows in the overall health of the baby right out of the egg.

While chameleons might not be the pet for you, I have to challenge your assumption that just because you haven't experienced a robust, healthy chameleon that they are fragile. I'm sorry, they just are not fragile.
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Absolutely! Exactly what she said! Chameleons are food for larger predators but that is natures way and the circle of life. But blaming the problems on the animal is nonsence.
 
Mr.Magoo said:
That is interesting, wasn't aware they can be tough. I use to have a bearded dragon for sometime, interesting little thing. The reason I got this chameleon it was on sale for 1/2 and she was young (didn't know she was a female then). A month later since I had her, I check back with Petco and three or four other little chameleons were in that tank and didn't look so good and mine have grown much more, maybe close to twice at the size and she was very happy.

I do have one more question, not sure if this could be related to her problem. This UVB bulb I have here, least it is twelve inches away where she like to sit and relax. 26w I believe, only one they had at Petco. Few days later after I gotten this bulb, showing black stuffs on the very bottom of that bulb and wondering if that bulb isn't any good.

Anyway I have two little green basilisks here, I did some research and have everything I need and hopefully it will work. Once they get bigger they will move into larger area I made for them. I did put that chameleon as her new home, she didn't like and wont eat, so I put her back and back to normal.

Wondering if those chameleons they had in that tank has died, some around that month going back for crickets and noticed a Iguana was very sick and look like it is about to die, a young one. I mention it to one of the worker, a young man doesn't seem to have any experience what he is doing and probably didn't do anything about it. Just hate walking into a pet place that they don't really care for the reptiles, mammals and animals. Just sad to see this happen there.
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Good luck w the baseliks. Better get a new uvb tube. Dont know about the 'watts'. Reptisun come in 5.0 and 10.0. Dont know what baseliks need but you should. The bulbs are only good for 6 months. If they are 12" away I would get a 10.0.
 
The basilisks are doing well, but for MrMagoo, dunno. Havent heard from the Vet. Probably best not to know if she made it or not. Don't want to think about that again. My girlfriend here were really upset crying about it. So best to leave it behind and I wont get another chameleon. The basilisks aren't hard to take care of, compare to water dragons.

Thank you for your concern.
 
Mr.Magoo said:
The basilisks are doing well, but for MrMagoo, dunno. Havent heard from the Vet. Probably best not to know if she made it or not. Don't want to think about that again. My girlfriend here were really upset crying about it. So best to leave it behind and I wont get another chameleon. The basilisks aren't hard to take care of, compare to water dragons.

Thank you for your concern.
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Yes I understand. I'm very sorry about your Cham I understand how you feel. My Cham recently passed from unknown causes. I'm sure yours is doing well! Don't worry.
 
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