Eva Passed this morning

[JohnDoe]

When I first got Eva I was scared to deal with her because of the thought of her becoming egg bound. I read everything I could read about keeping temps just right, feeding schedule perfect, and everything to minimize the chance of her laying eggs. I was successful up to this point now that I am writing, and had not even noticed the change in her.

That being said I fell into a routine that I thought worked well with her, and now that this has happened I feel horrible. My point is that I got comfortable with everything and did not stay as vigilant with her as I should of over the past month. Do not become lazy with the care of your chameleon thinking that you know enough because I think they will always have a trick up their sleeve.

With a heavy heart, Eva was found this morning on the bottom of the cage lifeless. After opening her up I had found 20 eggs, (I didnt think that was much, but she was on the smaller side) and her liver looked a little larger then normal. I referenced this thread on liver size https://www.chameleonforums.com/male-panther-gular-edema-neck-swelling-59420/index7.html but it was not as big as the one in the thread, but a little bigger than the normal size. I felt like this mishap was a rookie mistake on my part, and could have been prevented. I had her bin and everything, the time just was not right I guess.

I just wanted to thank everyone on this sight for all of the help I have received since being a member. You all are a large knowledge bank on anything and everything Chameleon. I will still keep Chameleons because I love this Addiction. Thanks again everyone

P.S. for all the new Chameleon owners make sure you understand that female Chameleons are just as AMAZING as a male. That being said it is very important on how you care for them, and watch their every move.

 

[zsazsa85]

I am so sorry!
So she bacame eggbound? But she had a bin as you said...
My condolences!

 

[DirtyDubbz]

So horrible ! So sorry

 

[SaintJimmy]

Oh no I'm so sorry about Eva

 

[Cooper]

Aww, I'm so sorry for your loss, but sharing your story will definitely help other keepers.
I have a female veiled and have set up a lay bin for her and think I have everything correct...terrifying that this might not be enough!

 

[JohnDoe]

I am so sorry!
So she bacame eggbound? But she had a bin as you said...
My condolences!

She had a laying bin in her cage since she was 8 months old. Thank you

So horrible ! So sorry

Thank you

Oh no I'm so sorry about Eva

Thanks Saint

Aww, I'm so sorry for your loss, but sharing your story will definitely help other keepers.
I have a female veiled and have set up a lay bin for her and think I have everything correct...terrifying that this might not be enough!

Just follow the great advice of the people on the form and watch her close.

 

[misshissingroaches]

May she feast in chameleon heaven!!!

 

[Marshmallows mom]

So Sorry for your loss.

 

[FlChamMom]

The pictures you posted of Eva were always beautiful- so sorry for your loss.

 

[jannb]

I am so sorry to hear about Eva. She was a gorgeous little lady. You have my condolences.

 

[broderp]

First off, I am very sorry for the loss. Not sure why I 've come across several thread slately about sick chams and such.

I do however have to ask, why would you open her up? Are you a vet? Seems a bit morbid to disect your pet. I'm not being a smart alec, I'm just curious why someone would consider doing this and if there was any medical reason to do this.

I'm still a noob to this, so as insensaitive as this sounds, I'm compelled to ask. I am truely sorry about her passing though. I will take your lesson about becomming lax in my hunbandry to heart. Thank you for the insight.

 

[JohnDoe]

May she feast in chameleon heaven!!!

Lets hope

So Sorry for your loss.

Thank you

I am so sorry to hear about Eva. She was a gorgeous little lady. You have my condolences.

Thanks Jann

The pictures you posted of Eva were always beautiful- so sorry for your loss.

Thank you very much

 

[JohnDoe]

First off, I am very sorry for the loss. Not sure why I 've come across several thread slately about sick chams and such.

I do however have to ask, why would you open her up? Are you a vet? Seems a bit morbid to disect your pet. I'm not being a smart alec, I'm just curious why someone would consider doing this and if there was any medical reason to do this.

I'm still a noob to this, so as insensaitive as this sounds, I'm compelled to ask. I am truely sorry about her passing though. I will take your lesson about becomming lax in my hunbandry to heart. Thank you for the insight.

I did this because I wanted to make sure my suspicions were true about eggs, and to see if there was any other cause besides the fact. I had good husbandry and took care of her very well, so I wanted to see if anything else was the cause. Some people on the forum will do this to educate themselves about the anatomy of a Chameleon or to really see if there were other circumstances that push the Chameleon to pass. It was more of a why for me, and finding out was big because I spent a lot of time looking at care sheets. Thats mainly why I did it. Thank you

 

[Psychobunny]

Oh no! I am so sorry to hear this sad news about Eva.
It's one of those things we all have to prepair ourselves for.
Our cham friends leave us way too soon

Your plea to us cham keepers to stay alert and not become lax with our husbandry is well taken, and made me do some serious thinking.

 

[Psychobunny]

First off, I am very sorry for the loss. Not sure why I 've come across several thread slately about sick chams and such.

I do however have to ask, why would you open her up? Are you a vet? Seems a bit morbid to disect your pet. I'm not being a smart alec, I'm just curious why someone would consider doing this and if there was any medical reason to do this.

I'm still a noob to this, so as insensaitive as this sounds, I'm compelled to ask. I am truely sorry about her passing though. I will take your lesson about becomming lax in my hunbandry to heart. Thank you for the insight.

It's not morbid, some of us take a scientific approach to learn.
You don't need to be a vet, just some basic understanding of cham biology.
This is how we learn to improve our husbandry.
Some of us (who are lucky, and have money) send their dead animals to a lab or vet to have a necroscopy preformed so they can understand the cause of death.
What we learn, we share on forums like this so everyone can benefit

 

[Olimpia]

I'm so sorry for your loss, truly!

But just because she had eggs doesn't mean she became egg bound. You say her liver looked unusual, assuming that's true there could be a number of things that could cause death. That's why without a professional necropsy that looks at tissues under a microscope or sends samples off to a lab it's mostly guesswork. Unless it's something extremely obvious.

 

[broderp]

I did this because I wanted to make sure my suspicions were true about eggs, and to see if there was any other cause besides the fact. I had good husbandry and took care of her very well, so I wanted to see if anything else was the cause. Some people on the forum will do this to educate themselves about the anatomy of a Chameleon or to really see if there were other circumstances that push the Chameleon to pass. It was more of a why for me, and finding out was big because I spent a lot of time looking at care sheets. Thats mainly why I did it. Thank you

It's not morbid, some of us take a scientific approach to learn.
You don't need to be a vet, just some basic understanding of cham biology.
This is how we learn to improve our husbandry.
Some of us (who are lucky, and have money) send their dead animals to a lab or vet to have a necroscopy preformed so they can understand the cause of death.
What we learn, we share on forums like this so everyone can benefit

Thanks for filling me in. I meant no disrespect. And you're right, I have had a necroscopy done on a dog once, just so I know 'why', so I can appreciate the search for answers in what ever way we best can.

She's in chameleon heaven, basking in the warm sun, looking down on you with one eye and looking around her new paradise with the other while munching on her favorite food.....

 

[JohnDoe]

Oh no! I am so sorry to hear this sad news about Eva.
It's one of those things we all have to prepair ourselves for.
Our cham friends leave us way too soon

Your plea to us cham keepers to stay alert and not become lax with our husbandry is well taken, and made me do some serious thinking.

Yea and the worst part is you think you have it under control, but somethings just happen. Thank you

I'm so sorry for your loss, truly!

But just because she had eggs doesn't mean she became egg bound. You say her liver looked unusual, assuming that's true there could be a number of things that could cause death. That's why without a professional necropsy that looks at tissues under a microscope or sends samples off to a lab it's mostly guesswork. Unless it's something extremely obvious.

I figured it was egg bound, because her liver did not look to abnormal but bigger than the normal liver I saw. Thank you

Thanks for filling me in. I meant no disrespect. And you're right, I have had a necroscopy done on a dog once, just so I know 'why', so I can appreciate the search for answers in what ever way we best can.

She's in chameleon heaven, basking in the warm sun, looking down on you with one eye and looking around her new paradise with the other while munching on her favorite food.....

Thank you