F. Pardalis overrated?

[VeiledOwner87]

now i know we all love furcifers, but if panthers are so commonly bred, than why on earth do they cost so much? yes they are gorgeous, but personaly, i think there are far more beautiful chameleons than panthers. i think panthers are overrated. no offence to the panther keepers what so ever. but it seems like they're a trend thing. just my opinion. i would choose a Furcifer lateralis (carpet chameleon over F. pardalis, as well as F. campani (jeweled chameleon). now of course in some to most areas, it is a little bit tougher to obtain these species. but carpets are quite common in america. so whats so "AHH GOTTA HAVE ONE" crazy about pardalis? i was one who voted trioceros in a recent poll, only because i think trioceros montium is by far one of the most unique and most beautiful chameleons out there.

takes anyone? there are no intentions of having this turn into a debate (which could possibly turn into one), i just want some opinions.

 

[lisa h]

I wonder if they are easier to breed than some of the other species? Does that also account for the popularity of veileds? They have large clutches and from what I hear a pretty low mortality rate. Both are "easier" to keep than some the others. As for the price difference, maybe it comes down to the beautiful colours? Just thinking of possible reasons. I prefer the smaller, more "boring" coloured chams lol

 

[mc9423]

Panthers are colorful and large. The size is probably the main reason people choose them over other colorful chams.

 

[dmaizer]

you ask why they are "so expensive" to buy when they are bred so commonly? just because they are bred so commonly doesn't mean they get cheaper -- it's not like fast food...

they cost so much because they take a lot of money, time, and knowledge to get them to market. even if you breed a million a year, the cost is still high. it's not like u can get ur "ingredients" in bulk and mass produce for extremely cheap.
it's similar to a fine wine. wine can be bought just about everywhere, but some bottles cost a more than others.

100% agreed.

 

[robmd1]

for me its the colors, and that there on the same island but dependin on which part as to colors i think thats cool, but i also have a pair carpets an pair of sternfeldi, and pygs cause i like diff kinds chams. but my collection of panthers is awesome...

 

[VeiledOwner87]

I wonder if they are easier to breed than some of the other species? Does that also account for the popularity of veileds? They have large clutches and from what I hear a pretty low mortality rate. Both are "easier" to keep than some the others. As for the price difference, maybe it comes down to the beautiful colours? Just thinking of possible reasons. I prefer the smaller, more "boring" coloured chams lol

veileds have i guess always been a first class step 1 chameleon for most keepers. most people say it is the beautiful colours, and that is what im guessing lisa, but still lol. im with you. i love the more simplier chams.

Panthers are colorful and large. The size is probably the main reason people choose them over other colorful chams.

look at mellers. they are a ton bigger than panthers and are less expensive.

you ask why they are "so expensive" to buy when they are bred so commonly? just because they are bred so commonly doesn't mean they get cheaper -- it's not like fast food...

they cost so much because they take a lot of money, time, and knowledge to get them to market. even if you breed a million a year, the cost is still high. it's not like u can get ur "ingredients" in bulk and mass produce for extremely cheap.
it's similar to a fine wine. wine can be bought just about everywhere, but some bottles cost a more than others.

do you breed panthers yourself? of course its not like you can go to the market and genetically make one. you steal hundreds from the wild or captive raised animals and breed them like anything else. im not a breeder, i dont know the concepts of breeding. but a lot of keepers will breed theres, or may "accidently" get a breed going. i will have to disagree with you and say that breeding such a common species isnt rocket science. no breeding operation is cheap, you didnt say that, but i will have to add that. but im sure it is no less expensive than a veiled breeding operation.

 

[laurie]

I am on the other end of the block from most people. I started with panthers, added veileds. Now I am moving to montanes. I find both quads and jacksons to be what I want to see every day. But I would give any thing to have a campani, they are just too beautiful.

 

[ChamOh]

do you breed panthers yourself? of course its not like you can go to the market and genetically make one. you steal hundreds from the wild or captive raised animals and breed them like anything else. im not a breeder, i dont know the concepts of breeding. but a lot of keepers will breed theres, or may "accidently" get a breed going. i will have to disagree with you and say that breeding such a common species isnt rocket science. no breeding operation is cheap, you didnt say that, but i will have to add that. but im sure it is no less expensive than a veiled breeding operation.

i do not breed. i have no desire to have 30 some hungry mouths at once. one lizard and a girlfriend is enough for me.

the logic in ur first post (although its clear that you didnt say what you mean judging by ur follow up post to me) was why are they so expensive when so many people breed them. i addressed that. but what you really wanted to ask i'm guessing is why do they cost more in comparison to a species that takes about the same investment to bring to market.. a different question indeed. so no need to get snippy kiddo, i was just replying to what you asked and i can't read minds (yet)

err, i'm assuming you mean no more expenseive than a veiled breeding op. and the question of why are veilds so much cheaper than panthers when it seems they would cost about the same to bring to market is a question i'm interested in hearing about too.

I think you will find that panthers are the most sought after species because they are so colorful, have many morphs (right word?) to choose from, large (sure not the largest), and intriguing. while most animals tend toward the drab for color, panthers went to opposite way evolutionarily. amazing.

 

[mc9423]

look at mellers. they are a ton bigger than panthers and are less expensive.

Mellers aren't colorful (Or, atleast, not as much as Panthers.)

 

[eisentrauti]

Only a question of supply and demand. In my opinion it's a shame that CB multis are sold at 40$ each but that's just the free market

 

[VeiledOwner87]

i do not breed. i have no desire to have 30 some hungry mouths at once. one lizard and a girlfriend is enough for me.

the logic in ur first post (although its clear that you didnt say what you mean judging by ur follow up post to me) was why are they so expensive when so many people breed them. i addressed that. but what you really wanted to ask i'm guessing is why do they cost more in comparison to a species that takes about the same investment to bring to market.. a different question indeed. so no need to get snippy kiddo, i was just replying to what you asked and i can't read minds (yet)

err, i'm assuming you mean no more expenseive than a veiled breeding op. and this is a question i'm interested in hearing about too.

I think you will find that panthers are the most sought after species because they are so colorful, large (sure not the largest), and intriguing. while most animals tend toward the drab for color, panthers went to opposite way evolutionarily. amazing.

im not getting snippy at all lol. i was just disagreeing with what you said in regards to they take alot of time, money and knowledge to get on the market. i just dont think that there is MUCH of a difference then getting any other "domestic" chameleon on it. jacksons, veileds and panthers are the big 3 IMO, of true chameleons on the market. im not sure how fluent melleris roll around the market in the states, but it is quite rare on obtaining them in canada.

but to a second question, i suppose we will go forth. yes, why do they cost more than other species as common than veileds when bread i guess with roughly the same operating costs?

 

[ChamOh]

im not getting snippy at all lol. i was just disagreeing with what you said in regards to they take alot of time, money and knowledge to get on the market. i just dont think that there is MUCH of a difference then getting any other "domestic" chameleon on it. jacksons, veileds and panthers are the big 3 IMO, of true chameleons on the market. im not sure how fluent melleris roll around the market in the states, but it is quite rare on obtaining them in canada.

but to a second question, i suppose we will go forth. yes, why do they cost more than other species as common than veileds when bread i guess with roughly the same operating costs?

"i was just disagreeing with what you said in regards to they take alot of time, money and knowledge to get on the market. "so you think it doesn't take a lot of time, it's cheap, and doesn't require much skill or knowledge.....eh, I'll just let this one go.

i like bread!

 

[VeiledOwner87]

i never once said it takes a lot of this to get them on the market, or any species for that matter. i said i just dont think there is MUCH of a difference with getting panthers on the market, along with other common types like veileds and jacksons, ect. no need to get nippy now kiddo.

 

[ChamOh]

i never once said it takes a lot of this to get them on the market, or any species for that matter. i said i just dont think there is MUCH of a difference with getting panthers on the market, along with other common types like veileds and jacksons, ect. no need to get nippy now kiddo.

lol ur fun

 

[Seeco]

Yeah, montium are awesome. So are carpets. Paradilis ARE unnaturally colorful so you gotta understand the interest.

 

[Seeco]

Yep, that's me but I was just clearing out some extra boys -- of course many folks wound up getting chicks at that price as well but now I'm gonna lock things down a bit while I still have some left.

Only a question of supply and demand. In my opinion it's a shame that CB multis are sold at 40$ each but that's just the free market

 

[eisentrauti]

Yep, that's me but I was just clearing out some extra boys -- of course many folks wound up getting chicks at that price as well but now I'm gonna lock things down a bit while I still have some left.

It's not against you. In my opinion it's a shame that you have even problems selling them at this price

 

[jeanjacket812]

Yes Panthers are pricey. I would never pay over 200 for one. Heck got my first baby for 65 no offense to anybody but the people sellin those 300 dollar babies gotta be high.

 

[VeiledOwner87]

its a marketting rip off i tell you. yes i agree, supply and demand, yes i agree colours. but like i said, imo, its the animal trade ripping of natures beauty.

 

[robmd1]

jean that hasta be one the stupidest things ive seen said... "they must be high"? its all bout getting what you pay for sure theres cheaper ones out there i myself want quality not whats cheapest for a pet im sure its fine but im not payen 65 dollars for a female say ambanja only to spend a year growin her up to breed her to my studly male get eggs wait up to a year they hatch out and low an behold i have anbanjalobes, you do what you want ill take the quality and you can take the 65 dollar deal...... oh and im sure ur 65 dollar cham is top notch...