Wow! You weren't kidding about lack of bone density! She has come a very long way already!
Female Veiled full of eggs, not digging...
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Ferrit wrote:
No offense was meant.
Obviously there are gaps in knowledge when it comes to when administering oxytocin will work, at least here on the board. My comment was in response to kinyonga not having information. If, in fact, you have knowledge that kinyonga does not have, maybe you'd be willing to share because we sort of look to her as a great source of information.
No offense was meant.
Obviously there are gaps in knowledge when it comes to when administering oxytocin will work, at least here on the board. My comment was in response to kinyonga not having information. If, in fact, you have knowledge that kinyonga does not have, maybe you'd be willing to share because we sort of look to her as a great source of information.
Elizadolots said..."It's a measure of how little time actual vets have spent researching this issue that it's not a known thing. Or maybe we just aren't tapping the right resource?"....if you're talking about them not knowing when to use oxytocin....you can't just look at the chameleon and say...yup, it will work. If you take x-rays you can usually determine if the (round) follicles have ovulated a while ago because the eggs are oval....but looking at the eggs and seeing that they are oval doesn't give any indication of how far they are from the date that they should be laid so you wouldn't know for sure the oxy would work. You would have to do fecal hormone testing to see what the levels are...and even then it wouldn't give you a definite answer as far as I can determine. (I'm not a vet as you know and this is just the way I understand it.)
You said..."My comment was in response to kinyonga not having information."...I don't know if anyone could know for sure when the time frame would be that the oxytocin would work. Its not just a simple case of giving it at the right time and it will work. If the female has produced fused eggs or they have grown too large or she has reproductive issues giving oxy would make matters worse. I don't know if anything would show these things for sure...so even the best vet might not know if it would work or not.
You said.."While I understand that things are different with reptiles, "ovulation" typically means when the eggs leave the "ovaries" and move to the uterus. Eggs that are "up to her lungs" would seem to fit that....but maybe they are just that different?"...again, you would have to do x-rays to determine if they were follicles (unovulated eggs) or eggs to begin with.
I don't think I've explained this as clearly as I would like to....but I hope you can see some of the problems with knowing whether to use oxy or not.
You said..."My comment was in response to kinyonga not having information."...I don't know if anyone could know for sure when the time frame would be that the oxytocin would work. Its not just a simple case of giving it at the right time and it will work. If the female has produced fused eggs or they have grown too large or she has reproductive issues giving oxy would make matters worse. I don't know if anything would show these things for sure...so even the best vet might not know if it would work or not.
You said.."While I understand that things are different with reptiles, "ovulation" typically means when the eggs leave the "ovaries" and move to the uterus. Eggs that are "up to her lungs" would seem to fit that....but maybe they are just that different?"...again, you would have to do x-rays to determine if they were follicles (unovulated eggs) or eggs to begin with.
I don't think I've explained this as clearly as I would like to....but I hope you can see some of the problems with knowing whether to use oxy or not.
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