Furcifer campani

[Etunes]

Hey guys, i was wondering if anyone can help me with some info on this species such as care specs and breeding. I have a good opportunity at a few species being imported in and was wanting to do some research before making any finale decisions. From what i have been able to find it seems that these guys have similar care as the Furcifer lateralis (carpets). Is that true? Any info would be a huge help.

Thanks ahead of time.

 

[Blang]

I wouldn't get campani, lots of problems keeping them! I was advised by a site sponsor not to get any that's been working with them! Just my .02!

 

[JGuinan007]

Don't do it! They were band for export from Madagascar in 1995 it's not legal to import or own and someone might arrest you for trafficking. But they are the Jewels of carpet chameleons, so pretty it might be worth the risk. Member Joery raised them I would talk to him, although he hasn't been seen since Feb 2015 maybe the man caught up to him?

 

[Etunes]

Wasnt the Cite lifted in 2014 9(i think) for exporting them out of madagascar along with several other species? I am not importing them myself and they are being imported by someone with a well known good reputation olaf pronk. Which i would trust to know (hearing from others) if it was lifted or not. Am i wrong in this assumption?

 

[bobcochran]

I believe Hnen a site sponsor just had a rare successful clutch hatch. You might ask him about their care and husbandry.

 

[JGuinan007]

Wasnt the Cite lifted in 2014 9(i think) for exporting them out of madagascar along with several other species? I am not importing them myself and they are being imported by someone with a well known good reputation olaf pronk. Which i would trust to know (hearing from others) if it was lifted or not. Am i wrong in this assumption?

Oh I didn't know it was. Sorry. Then get them breed them and send some to me.

 

[Etunes]

Just to ease everyones minds with my actions,
https://cites.org/sites/default/files/common/quotas/2015/ExportQuotas2015.pdf

There is the site that says the ban has been lifted for the 2 species i am going to possibly be working with Calumma boettgeri and Furcifer campani.

AND BOBCOCHRAN thank you very much. Ill see if i can get in contact with him.

Thank you again.

 

[Etunes]

Also just confirmed with imported i have a trio of both coming to me soon. Hopefully i can get them up and running soon.

 

[JGuinan007]

Congrats be sure to post some pics

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

From the CITES site the quota is 250 wild caught Furcifer campani a year. They are being bred with somewhat accomplished results in captivity.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

 

[Trace]

They are being bred with somewhat accomplished results in captivity.

They have had an export quota of 250 every year since 2012. Out out the possible 1000 that have come out since then, how many captive bred babies have been born?

 

[NHenn]

They have had an export quota of 250 every year since 2012. Out out the possible 1000 that have come out since then, how many captive bred babies have been born?

Trace out of all the campani that have entered this country I know of 4 total babies that were born and lived past a few days. Three of which were the ones I hatched and one was from Kevin Stanford. At this point, all three of my CB have passed and I was only able to obtain two clutches from them which are currently incubating. Kevin's female is currently still alive and he has one of my males for breeding. He also has a clutch from his female currently incubating.

So if we look at the numbers in full, we have 1 alive captive born animal out of a possible 750 exported (2013, 2014, 2015). I wouldn't call 0.1% "somewhat accomplished" Jeremy.

With that said, I still have high hopes for this species and I'm currently working on a large breeding project with them. In addition to the CB clutches both Kevin and myself have in the works, I also have quite a few clutches from WC females that are incubating as well so with any luck I hope within the next year we are able to get over the difficultly of working with WC animals and can start to get some success with captive born animals.

Etunes, my personal opinion is to stay away from campani as they are nothing like any other species I have worked with and are far from similar to F. lateralis (carpets). Besides them both being Furcifer that is about all they have in common. Most WC will pass within a few short months of being captive so if you are looking to really dive into a species to work with I would recommend something different as WC campani are just all around difficult.

 

[Dooley1]

I'm very happy Nick chimed in. He is correct, and I'm not aware of anyone else at the moment with a single captive-bred specimen in the US. Maybe there is, but I have not seen it. I hatched the girl below in April of last year. I'm hoping for her first clutch to hatch this May-June, but they are much more difficult than any species I have worked with otherwise, and I'm 6 generations into breeding Furcifer lateralis (carpets) which hatch much larger and present a lot less problems. Any time I see someone buying the WC's coming in I feel sad for the animals. Being that they have had a 250 animal quota each year since 2012, it is pathetic that so many have been brought in to die for absolutely no good reason.

This is not a knock to Jeremy, but what he said could not be further from the truth; "They are being bred with somewhat accomplished results in captivity."

Below is my girl, Miss Alaska. Hopefully her babies will hatch

 

[Clint526]

She's awesome.

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

Trace out of all the campani that have entered this country I know of 4 total babies that were born and lived past a few days. Three of which were the ones I hatched and one was from Kevin Stanford. At this point, all three of my CB have passed and I was only able to obtain two clutches from them which are currently incubating. Kevin's female is currently still alive and he has one of my males for breeding. He also has a clutch from his female currently incubating.

So if we look at the numbers in full, we have 1 alive captive born animal out of a possible 750 exported (2013, 2014, 2015). I wouldn't call 0.1% "somewhat accomplished" Jeremy.

With that said, I still have high hopes for this species and I'm currently working on a large breeding project with them. In addition to the CB clutches both Kevin and myself have in the works, I also have quite a few clutches from WC females that are incubating as well so with any luck I hope within the next year we are able to get over the difficultly of working with WC animals and can start to get some success with captive born animals.

Etunes, my personal opinion is to stay away from campani as they are nothing like any other species I have worked with and are far from similar to F. lateralis (carpets). Besides them both being Furcifer that is about all they have in common. Most WC will pass within a few short months of being captive so if you are looking to really dive into a species to work with I would recommend something different as WC campani are just all around difficult.

They have had an export quota of 250 every year since 2012. Out out the possible 1000 that have come out since then, how many captive bred babies have been born?

Trace out of all the campani that have entered this country I know of 4 total babies that were born and lived past a few days. Three of which were the ones I hatched and one was from Kevin Stanford. At this point, all three of my CB have passed and I was only able to obtain two clutches from them which are currently incubating. Kevin's female is currently still alive and he has one of my males for breeding. He also has a clutch from his female currently incubating.

So if we look at the numbers in full, we have 1 alive captive born animal out of a possible 750 exported (2013, 2014, 2015). I wouldn't call 0.1% "somewhat accomplished" Jeremy.

With that said, I still have high hopes for this species and I'm currently working on a large breeding project with them. In addition to the CB clutches both Kevin and myself have in the works, I also have quite a few clutches from WC females that are incubating as well so with any luck I hope within the next year we are able to get over the difficultly of working with WC animals and can start to get some success with captive born animals.

Etunes, my personal opinion is to stay away from campani as they are nothing like any other species I have worked with and are far from similar to F. lateralis (carpets). Besides them both being Furcifer that is about all they have in common. Most WC will pass within a few short months of being captive so if you are looking to really dive into a species to work with I would recommend something different as WC campani are just all around difficult.

Trace out of all the campani that have entered this country I know of 4 total babies that were born and lived past a few days. Three of which were the ones I hatched and one was from Kevin Stanford. At this point, all three of my CB have passed and I was only able to obtain two clutches from them which are currently incubating. Kevin's female is currently still alive and he has one of my males for breeding. He also has a clutch from his female currently incubating.

So if we look at the numbers in full, we have 1 alive captive born animal out of a possible 750 exported (2013, 2014, 2015). I wouldn't call 0.1% "somewhat accomplished" Jeremy.

With that said, I still have high hopes for this species and I'm currently working on a large breeding project with them. In addition to the CB clutches both Kevin and myself have in the works, I also have quite a few clutches from WC females that are incubating as well so with any luck I hope within the next year we are able to get over the difficultly of working with WC animals and can start to get some success with captive born animals.

Etunes, my personal opinion is to stay away from campani as they are nothing like any other species I have worked with and are far from similar to F. lateralis (carpets). Besides them both being Furcifer that is about all they have in common. Most WC will pass within a few short months of being captive so if you are looking to really dive into a species to work with I would recommend something different as WC campani are just all around difficult.

They have had an export quota of 250 every year since 2012. Out out the possible 1000 that have come out since then, how many captive bred babies have been born?

Trace out of all the campani that have entered this country I know of 4 total babies that were born and lived past a few days. Three of which were the ones I hatched and one was from Kevin Stanford. At this point, all three of my CB have passed and I was only able to obtain two clutches from them which are currently incubating. Kevin's female is currently still alive and he has one of my males for breeding. He also has a clutch from his female currently incubating.

So if we look at the numbers in full, we have 1 alive captive born animal out of a possible 750 exported (2013, 2014, 2015). I wouldn't call 0.1% "somewhat accomplished" Jeremy.

With that said, I still have high hopes for this species and I'm currently working on a large breeding project with them. In addition to the CB clutches both Kevin and myself have in the works, I also have quite a few clutches from WC females that are incubating as well so with any luck I hope within the next year we are able to get over the difficultly of working with WC animals and can start to get some success with captive born animals.

Etunes, my personal opinion is to stay away from campani as they are nothing like any other species I have worked with and are far from similar to F. lateralis (carpets). Besides them both being Furcifer that is about all they have in common. Most WC will pass within a few short months of being captive so if you are looking to really dive into a species to work with I would recommend something different as WC campani are just all around difficult.

My statements are not further from the the truth Trace or Kevin. You just did not understand/comprehend my statement. "Somewhat Accomplished Results" reflects that since 2012 there have been regular hatching of Furcifer campani clutches. That accounts as somewhat accomplished breeding. The only problem comes from the lack of accomplished raising the neonates. There is no need to jump to arms. Keepers of this species are attempting to solve the enigma of raising neonate Furcifer campani as seen above. Some keepers who have more time to work with and breed the species have raised babies in Europe. I think keepers keeping and breeding Furcifer campani with some time in North America are going to solve the problem of raising the neonates of Furcifer campani similar to Europe. When both of these happen, hatching clutches (already happening), raising neonates (not happening yet) happen then I consider that total accomplished breeding results. Since there is only one out of the two I think somewhat accomplished results is a good accurate statement of what is going on.

We can talk about CITES quotas. However that is a conversation for another thread. You have to decide if you want to keep your hobby at the price at conservative quotas? I am making my contribution to forest conservation in Madagascar this year.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

 

[JGuinan007]

SO breeding is successful, Laying and hatching is successful, just can't get those Neonates to survive.

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

SO breeding is successful, Laying and hatching is successful, just can't get those Neonates to survive.

That is the problem with this species Furcifer campani. The young babies/babies have proven difficult to raise to adult life stage. The Eastern Madagascar (Parsonii like Chameleons and Elephant Eared Chameleons) and in this case central Plateau species of chameleons are known to be species that require more expertise to reproduce than normal chameleons seen on the world markets. However breeding these species is being done (breeding, laying and hatching).

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

 

[Etunes]

Now i am looking to get into something new. Something with more of a challenge and something that hasent really been tackled before. If you dont mind me asking since you guys are in so deep with the species is what are you finding that is making it so difficult to get the neonates to the adult stage? And also if you dont mind me asking what is the set up you have the young ones in? I am not looking to get into this too just say "hey, i have a rare species of cham". Im looking to make a difference and see if i can actually get some CB animals in the trade, which is one reason i came to this forum as i was looking for people experienced with this species. I have a choice basically between 2 species and i was honestly more attracted to this species.

 

[jpowell86]

I have a choice basically between 2 species and i was honestly more attracted to this species

Out of curiosity, what is the other species that you have in mind??

 

[Etunes]

Calumma boettgeri. Ill be honest this one is probably a better option outlook wise just because i have someone i could go into this with that is willing to go into with me which means we would have a larger gene pool to work with. But the thing is i am more interested in working with the Furcifer campani. It is why i am wanting to get in detail peoples experience with Furcifer campani before i make the final decision.