General Care & Eye Problem

brad2388

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So long story short. I was working for a woman who is crazy and ended up not doing what she said she was going to do. So as a part of my severance from her were a couple things of value and I also argued for her chameleons which I claimed would die under her care or lack thereof. She said that she thought they were geckos which I pointed out proved my point. These are Nosy Be Panthers. I've been in to reptiles a long time but have never had chameleons and would have never jumped into them (especially Panthers first) without extensive research but she bought them on a whim because she said her spirit guides told her to and asked me to help care for them and now I own them and I find that I have two very delicate animals that need my care and I'm playing catch up. I would love any advice or corrections to what I have gleaned from the internet and am currently doing.


Chameleon Info:

Your Chameleon - Nosy Bes. Male & Pregnant Female. Age unknown.
Handling - Never. I know they have to be under a lot of stress.
Feeding - I'm feeding crickets gutloaded with apples as well as fresh organic lettuce & swiss chard from my garden.
Supplements - I have dusted once. I've only had the chameleons for about 5 days. They weren't being supplemented at her house. I have rep-cal phosphorous-free calcium with Vit D & Herpivite with beta carotene.
Watering - I'm waiting on a Exo Terra Monsoon. Should be here today or tomorrow. I have been misting them until their vivs are soaked with pump hand misters. I do it about 4 or 5 times each day. About 2 to 3 mins each. The first day they were in my care they licked water off their fake plants for about 5 minutes.
Fecal Description - Their feces have one part brown one part white. Relatively solid.
History - They were owned for a week and a half by this woman who misted once every other day for a minute or so and fed non-gutloaded crickets without vitamins or calcium.


Cage Info:

Cage Type - Complete screen with fake plants. 18" X 18" X 36" tall.
Lighting - reptiglo 5.0 UVB that have kind of yellowed at the base. I want to know if there is a better UVB option. Fluker 75W 120 volt heat for both of them. However one burned out today and must be replaced.
Temperature - I can't seem to find the best way to test these temps. I have a laser type tester and the branch under the light in both of their cages was 84 degrees and the colder side was 72. I just finished moving them to a large walk in closet that remains about 68 at night and 74 during the day when all the animal heat lamps are on.
Humidity - I have not measure my humidity yet. I have order a combo thermometer and humidity gauge but I don't know how I'm going to attach it when it arrives.
Plants - Fake plants in both. I've also place a 3.5 gallon trash can 80% full of half and half coco fiber and sand since she is supposedly pregnant.
Placement - The cages are in a large closet with no vents. I will be placing a small fan that doesn't directly point at them in the room to keep up the circulation.
Location - Franklin, Tennessee. Just below Nashville.


My main problem would be a need for just a basic critique of what I'm doing. I know there is a lot of info out there but I think I'm faced with too much of it and just want a little basic advice in one package. Secondly, my female has a deflated and mostly closed left eye. She looks fat and healthy and still eats but her eye looks horrible. I've been trying to mist more as well as turn her uvb off for part of the day because I've read that the curly type bulb can be bad for them. Do I need to be doing something else?
 
okay! so you said the female is supposed pregant and has an eye problem. it would be great if you could post some pics of her so we can see if we can tell if she is carrying eggs and some of her eye to see if we can tell whats going on with that. good job on setting up a laying bin however im not sure about the coco fiber. this link tells how to make the best laying bin possible and what materials work best https://www.chameleonforums.com/blogs/jannb/345-egg-laying-laying-bin.html many members use washed play sand that is slightly moist so that it can hold a tunnel.

this blog has different feeder ideas for them https://www.chameleonforums.com/blogs/sandrachameleon/74-feeders.html

this one tells how to make a good gutload to get as much nutrition into your feeders as possible https://www.chameleonforums.com/blogs/sandrachameleon/75-feeder-nutrition-gutloading.html


you are doing really well ! the caresheet i linked above also goes over supplements, enclosure, care, all of that :) kudos to you for doing so well in such a tight situation :D

oh and pics of the male would be good too so we can see how he is looking as well!

any questions you have please ask us. you did a great thing by taking them in when it doesnt sound like they were being properly cared for and we are here to help with anything you need :D
 
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I have a decent colony of dubia and turks going so I will transition to them. I also just took photos so I will learn how to post photos and then put them up.
 
thats good! dubia are a good stable, a variety is definitely good, but you will get more into that soon! sandras blog goes into all different types of feeders and how much they can make up of a chams diet.

you can post photos by if when you hit quick reply, then under the text box it says go advanced, you click that, type your message, then scroll down to manage attachments, upload your pics, and post your message and they will be here! or you can upload them to photobucket and post the url to each picture on a message and we can go look at them.

also does the reptical have d3 in it?
 
It only let me get one photo. I'll try again. I'm having some connectivity issues.
 

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if the photo is too large it may not let you upload it. if there is a bunch of stuff around the cham you could crop it a little bit and try that.
 
Here are 3 more photos. I noticed the first one didn't focus too well. Tell me if you need a better one to accurately see what is wrong.
 

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her right eye looks good, the left one definitely has something going on. if you are willing to take another pic that would be great
 
I'm learning about my new camera phone. These photos are way better!
 

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im certainly no expert on panthers in particular lol, i know that females are less colorful then males so are the first two pics the male? how do you know the other is a female? is that what the previous owner was told when she bought them? ive never seen a panther female that was blue before thats why im asking. also, in the second round of pics you posted the third pic from the beginning i think i see a bulge behind the vent.

i would say it looks like something is in her eye and its irrated, in my opinion.you should try doing several extra mistings a day with warm water directly on her and see if that will open her eye up from now on. you can also try putting her in the shower on a plant, directing the showerhead to the wall so that the warm, not hot! water hits the wall and then the fine spray from the wall hits the plant. supervise carefully and leave her in there for 5 to 10 mins. this will give her a chance to drink and flush out her eye.
 
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My calcium does have D3 but is free of phosphorous.

too much d3 can cause over supplementation issues. the recommended supplementation schedule is calcium without d3 every feeding, calcium with d3 twice a month, and a multivitamin twice a month on alternating weeks. you can find a calcium without d3 at most petstores, if you cant find it locally, many of our sponsors carry it on their online sites. to look at their sites look at the top right hand corner of this screen, it says view our sponors, click it, then click chameleon supplies and you will be able to find it :)

im going to ask one of our members who is a vet to take a look and see what she thinks of the eye! she is great and has a ton of experience with chameleons
 
I'm pretty sure it's a female. They were keeping them together at the store and said that they were breeding. She does have a gorgeous violet blue color. I used the flash so it would be more clear which I thing brings out the color more.
 
Also uvb 5 or 10? The care sheet just says either. There has to be a difference. Perhaps one is better for my size cage?
 
okay as i said im no expert on panthers so im definitely not sure :) i would try the warm misting directly on her now and let me know if it seems to make a difference! if she doesnt take off from the mist, mist he for about a minute, or 2 so that it really had a chance to get into her eye turrent for her to try to clean her eye out.

i messaged ferretinmyshoes, the vet i mentioned so when she has a chance im sure shell chime in and say any advice she has for you!
 
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Also uvb 5 or 10? The care sheet just says either. There has to be a difference. Perhaps one is better for my size cage?

since they arent babies you can use either, if they were small babies 5.0 would be recommended. 10.0 is best for larger cages as it puts out more uvb. i would say 10.0 would be fine because you have a 3 foot tall cage so it would put out more uvb into your large cage!
 
the other thing that could be going on with her eye is infection. hopefully ferretinmyshoes will be able to let us know if she thinks this is going on. eye infections can result from other infection in the body affecting the eye as well as something scratching or being stuck in the eye and resulting in an infection. if it is an infection she will need to see a vet for antibiotics. have you noticed any sounds while she is breathing, open mouthed breathing, mucus in her mouth?
 
She seems perfectly healthy but for the eye. I hope my watering system gets in soon so I can offer a consistent misting for these guys.
 
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