Goatloading with oats
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Carloscruz
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Because they’re not really nutritious
leedragon
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absorptions of which compounds?
leedragon
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really? what I read it is that as opposite to other sereals and seeds oatmeal was low on that and that´s why being a good choise? ( oxal accids I think it was and other thing). What it may have that isn´t that good is high phosphor? But couldn´t high phosphor just be fied by dusting your feeders with calcium when your are gonna feed them to the chams?Oops...calcium. How did I miss that!
This is just one site that talks about it...
https://bottomlineinc.com/health/diet-nutrition/stop-flushing-your-calcium-down-the-drain?print=true
I was told many years ago by a knowledgeable zoo person that I shouldn't use oatmeal.
https://bottomlineinc.com/health/diet-nutrition/stop-flushing-your-calcium-down-the-drain?print=true
I was told many years ago by a knowledgeable zoo person that I shouldn't use oatmeal.
leedragon
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I´ll have read.
I think back in the days here people used oats for keeping dubias alive. Protein and carbs in it. and then feed them with fruits and vegetables when you were to feed them to your chameleons.
Oats are cheap and can find it with dry fruit and nuts so it would have been convinient to use.
Some old knowledge can be changed thou with time either ours or the zoo person. Kinda like nowdays atleast here dog food and fish food is not recomended for gutloading.
But I got to read about. And thank you for all the input btw.
@leedragon said..."Some old knowledge can be changed thou with time either ours or the zoo person. Kinda like nowdays atleast here dog food and fish food is not recomended for gutloading"...true that things do change even for zoo people. I never used dog food or fish food back in the days when others did either. I've always fed insects that eat greens and veggies that and others what I thought they would normally eat whenever possible. Also didn't feed chicken chow/layer food to the insects because it container formaldehyde and seemed to be harmful to the chameleons.
nightanole
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For dubia producers...
They use whatever is cheapest. "alot" of them use use super high protein fish and poultry food for "rearing". However till they "get the good stuff" those dubia will be high in calcium binding and uric acid(how bugs store excess protein like mamals store excess fat).
So you are free to have a "bulk bin" and feed whatever. But you need a "feed off" bin that has been on the good stuff for at least a week before you feed them to your extended family members. Just long enough to clear the gut of the old bulk food.
They use whatever is cheapest. "alot" of them use use super high protein fish and poultry food for "rearing". However till they "get the good stuff" those dubia will be high in calcium binding and uric acid(how bugs store excess protein like mamals store excess fat).
So you are free to have a "bulk bin" and feed whatever. But you need a "feed off" bin that has been on the good stuff for at least a week before you feed them to your extended family members. Just long enough to clear the gut of the old bulk food.
leedragon
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that´s interesting. Didn´t know that contained formaldehyde.
leedragon
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That´s some smart thinking. Like have a bin for productionsand small one wich the get like spirulina. arugula. zucchini, bee pollen orange and apples for a week and goes into the chameloens cage.
I'm not sure if it still does in all countries or not now.
Klyde O'Scope
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Part of that article that caught my eye is the end of the paragraph on Phytates:
I would think all the supplemental calcium our reptiles get daily should be more than enough to compensate for the phytates in oatmeal, not to mention they'd likely be used up in the feeders' metabolism, so little—if any—would be left for a reptile's metabolism to be affected.
Pickle-cham
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You'll find oats mould over quite quickly too as another reason with humidity off Dubia substrate 
Pickle-cham
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Something that cost me a few white worm colony's for my discus, unless you change food daily.You'll find oats mould over quite quickly too as another reason with humidity off Dubia substrate
Interesting to hear wheat bran not a good feeder as thats what my locust have to counter Cruciferous greens it stops them getting toxic stomachs. Also been giving my baby lobster roaches Weetabix oops
you said..."I would think all the supplemental calcium our reptiles get daily should be more than enough to compensate for the phytates in oatmeal, not to mention they'd likely be used up in the feeders' metabolism, so little—if any—would be left for a reptile's metabolism to be affected"...but isn't the calcium were giving supposed to balance the phosphorous in the insects...so how does it compensate for the phytates in the oatmeal too? Are we giving enough for both?
Phytates also stop the absorption of iron and zinc.
Phytates also stop the absorption of iron and zinc.
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Can you explain how it stops them from getting toxic stomach please. What do you mean by toxic stomach?
Pickle-cham
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Locust if you just feed Cruciferous they get a black stomach and die like a plague think its gas build up.
I believe they are farmed on cabbage and bran so the can get optimal growth. The bran must be like fibre to help them pass the wet foods which cause the black stomach deaths in desert locust
I believe they are farmed on cabbage and bran so the can get optimal growth. The bran must be like fibre to help them pass the wet foods which cause the black stomach deaths in desert locust
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Pickle-cham
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Just to note i see raising feeders separate too gutloading whats optimal for chameleon isnt necessarily the best for the feeder or what we are trying to pass up the food chain
